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froggy25: Anyway, I replied Jan 28, 2015 6:28:56 GMT -8
froggy25: Stadium Tradebacks with the Substitute and Haze mechanics might be fun to play =) Jan 28, 2015 7:29:26 GMT -8
Crystal_: if a pokemon uses hyper beam then in the same turn the other pokemon uses wrap and misses the first pokemon will not need to recharge during the next turn and won't be able to select another move, causing hyper beam to be used again. Jan 28, 2015 13:48:26 GMT -8
Crystal_: Was this already known? / is already implemented in sims? Jan 28, 2015 13:48:35 GMT -8
froggy25: It's already known but I don't know if it is implemented. Jan 28, 2015 13:50:32 GMT -8
froggy25: http://www.smogon.com/rb/articles/differences Jan 28, 2015 13:52:51 GMT -8
froggy25: If the target of the partial trapping move just used Hyper Beam, it won't have to recharge if the partial trapping move misses on the recharge turn. Additionally, if the user of the partial trapping move attacks before the user of Hyper Beam during a recha Jan 28, 2015 13:53:11 GMT -8
froggy25: too long :) Jan 28, 2015 13:53:25 GMT -8
Crystal_: actually, i said it in the wrong order, my bad. Dragonite uses Wrap, misses; Snorlax uses Hyper Beam. Next turn Snorlax uses automatically Hyper Beam again without recharging Jan 28, 2015 13:54:09 GMT -8
Crystal_: the other way around, e.g. tauros uses hyper beam, dnite misses wrap, only causes the recharging condition to go, but the tauros player can pick any move Jan 28, 2015 14:01:39 GMT -8
Crystal_: yeah, I get it now. long sotry short, wrap and thrash effects occur prior to dmg calculation and thus prior to accuracy tests. so wrap effect occurs even if the move misses, with the wrap status being active until the acc tests are called and fail Jan 28, 2015 14:13:53 GMT -8 *
Crystal_: the wrap effect also includes clearing the target's hbeam status Jan 28, 2015 14:14:46 GMT -8
Crystal_: so in the dnite vs lax scenario, dnite misses whatever, lax uses beam. next turn dnite misses wrap, lax couldn't select a move as it should be recharging this turn but wrap clears the recharge condition, and since heabm was the last move selected by lax-> Jan 28, 2015 14:18:43 GMT -8
Crystal_: ->it uses hyper beam again. And next turn again, lax can't select move because it needs to recharge Jan 28, 2015 14:19:14 GMT -8
Isa: just for clarification but the above works as well if dnite switches in on the hbeam, right? Jan 28, 2015 14:33:53 GMT -8
Raish: I think short version is: The use of wrap clears hyper beam recharge status, even if wrap misses. If wrap misses in a turn after hyper beam has hit, that pokemon will not need to recharge and can select any move for the following turn. Jan 28, 2015 17:39:12 GMT -8
Raish: If a pokemon would experience hyper beam recharge but wrap misses first that turn, the recharging pokemon will instead be forced to use hyper beam again, with a recharge the following turn if it hits. Jan 28, 2015 17:40:53 GMT -8 *
Raish: So if Dragonite switched into Snorlax's hyper beam then missed wrap on the following turn, Snorlax would automatically hyper beam Dragonite again on that 2nd turn. Jan 28, 2015 17:43:50 GMT -8
Crystal_: yes Isa Jan 29, 2015 0:20:06 GMT -8
Crystal_: thrash/petal dance lock the user even if the move misses (and a miss doesn't automatically end the sequence either). Not sure if this was already known Jan 29, 2015 9:47:47 GMT -8 *