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Post by WaterWizard on Mar 24, 2013 17:27:30 GMT -8
I didn't see the comments, but the moderator who deleted them felt like they were too explicit for this discussion and I trust his judgment. Feel free to take that tangent to private messages or to Reddit, and keep this thread on topic: sexual morality. No need to get graphic.
Dre, I think most pro-gay Christians try and say that gay people should be allowed to marry, whereupon their sexual activity would not be sinful. The challenge is to trace enough forward moment from the OT to the NT in regards to marriage and singleness. The promise to widows and eunuchs is often mentioned, as well as the impact the birth of the messiah has on the role of procreative sex for Israel.
There is a hermeneutical lens associated with "liberation theology" is also relevant to this discussion.
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Post by Dre on Mar 24, 2013 18:04:46 GMT -8
How is "what you are doing is wrong" not a moral judgement? It's a judgement of the act not the person. Nowadays I find 'moral judgement' and 'morally good or bad' to be really archaic concepts, but doing a morally bad act doesn't automatically make you a morally bad person. Otherwise everyone in the world would be an 'immoral' person, because we can safely assume that no one is perfect and that we have all done immoral acts at some time. For example Catholics know that Mother Theresa has done immoral acts before, but they would still call her a morally good person. WW- I think liberal Christianity has well-meaning intentions, but ultimately I think it is just projecting modern values onto an ancient text. You have to remember the cultural climate that these scriptures were written in. It was an unscientific era riddled with racism, homophobia, sexism, violent/fatal punishments etc. It's very probable that these scriptures condemmed homosexuality because of the culture at that time. Whether you believe the Bible is divinely inspired or not, one thing that is inarguable is that it very strongly reflects the culture of its time. Modern scholars have similar issues with the Koran, where they're trying to reconcile their modern values with the blatantly sexist teachings of Koran (such as husbands being able to beat their wives etc.)
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Post by Agent Syrup on Mar 24, 2013 18:45:58 GMT -8
I really don't even know what to say concerning this.... Though I should note that some people do observe this. I actually recall my father telling me "You never have sex with your wife when she's having her period." Not that that's much of a biblical argument but to be fair you didn't actually bring up a biblical argument to support being able to do that either.
There is a clear difference between a brother/sister in Christ and an actual close relative. Even if the sexual laws weren't started with "No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD." it is extremely clear that the passage is talking about your actual blood relatives (and relatives by marriage) and not figurative brothers and sisters. If you start taking every figurative statement in the bible literally then you are going to come out with some absurd ideas.
Also the bible talks a lot about marriage between Christians as something that isn't evil: "it is better to marry then to burn with passion" (just one example) And this should be noted while we're on the subject (the New Testament is against incest)----> "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among the pagans: A man has his father's wife." 1 Corinthians 4:15
I don't have a list exactly.... but there are things that New Testament both affirms as constant and says is no longer applicable to Christians. There are no more clean/ unclean animals: -Acts 10:9-16 -Mark 7:19 Christians should no longer be circumcised -Galatians 5:2 You should still love the Lord and your neighbor -Matthew 22:37-40
I'm sure I could think of more things, but that will do for now. Basically the New Covenant really gives clarity on what we should think of the Old Covenant.
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Post by Agent Syrup on Mar 26, 2013 19:05:22 GMT -8
Oh gee... that was a bit of a harsh way of putting it. Sorry, I need to take more care in the things i write online.
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 26, 2013 19:38:59 GMT -8
Wow. Not often you see someone break GIFT.
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Post by Agent Syrup on Mar 27, 2013 6:10:25 GMT -8
Wow. Not often you see someone break GIFT. "GIFT"?
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 27, 2013 15:48:34 GMT -8
Wow. Not often you see someone break GIFT. "GIFT"? "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory". Basically, that otherwise-normal people are total dicks to each other over the Web.
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Post by Agent Syrup on Mar 27, 2013 15:54:22 GMT -8
Oh... my!
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Post by posthuman on Mar 27, 2013 21:26:36 GMT -8
"Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory". Basically, that otherwise-normal people are total dicks to each other over the Web. Simply click here for examples.
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