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Post by lilith on Mar 23, 2013 11:42:50 GMT -8
ITT: rby with 5 move slots!
/meta
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 23, 2013 13:31:52 GMT -8
durr
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Post by lilith on Mar 23, 2013 14:14:27 GMT -8
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Post by WaterWizard on Mar 23, 2013 14:23:14 GMT -8
Five Slot RBY is soooooo sexy.
I have always been careful not to think about it for more than a second or I'll start lusting and get lost in moveset mode for... days...
Oh! the possibilities
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 23, 2013 16:28:15 GMT -8
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Post by jorgen on Mar 23, 2013 16:34:03 GMT -8
5-moveslot GSC is more interesting imo. Tyranitar still doesn't get enough moveslots, though.
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 23, 2013 18:48:27 GMT -8
5-moveslot GSC is more interesting imo. Tyranitar still doesn't get enough moveslots, though. Doesn't Snorlax get even more ridiculous with 5 moveslots? |
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Post by Agent Syrup on Mar 23, 2013 19:20:45 GMT -8
Well this is interesting! Do you think any teir bumping will happen if this was the case?
This would be so annoying:
Chansey
-Thounderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Softboiled
-Thunderwave
-Reflect
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Post by WaterWizard on Mar 23, 2013 19:53:28 GMT -8
Five-slot GSC would definitely be very fun. Again, I won't dare start thinking about it...
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Post by Dre on Mar 23, 2013 23:59:44 GMT -8
Zam should be running reflect and stoss rather than counter in my opinion. Even with just 4 moveslots, if everything was paralysed so it didn't need twave, it'd probably be the most consistently threatening pokemon in OU, even when paralysed. Zam's problem has always been that it can't threaten both sides at once, which is why starmie is more standard (jf ever so slightly). I've considered running non-twave zam, but without having a strategy to reliably status every single pokemon it becomes a gimmick.
Also, I think 5-pokemon RBY is more interesting. Firstly because it's actually possible, and secondly because it kinda makes you realise which pokemon/roles are more important.
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 24, 2013 2:23:42 GMT -8
Zam should be running reflect and stoss rather than counter in my opinion. Even with just 4 moveslots, if everything was paralysed so it didn't need twave, it'd probably be the most consistently threatening pokemon in OU, even when paralysed. Zam's problem has always been that it can't threaten both sides at once, which is why starmie is more standard (jf ever so slightly). I've considered running non-twave zam, but without having a strategy to reliably status every single pokemon it becomes a gimmick. Also, I think 5-pokemon RBY is more interesting. Firstly because it's actually possible, and secondly because it kinda makes you realise which pokemon/roles are more important. You can save Zam for a sweep and run a Gary Zam set (Psychic/Psybeam/Reflect/Recover). |
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Post by Dre on Mar 24, 2013 8:05:36 GMT -8
It's better to just run stoss if you wanna sweep so you immediately threaten paralysed specials. Psybeam is for last-pokemon stalls really.
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 24, 2013 13:02:34 GMT -8
Stoss doesn't threaten Chansey. Psybeam does.
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Post by Crystal_ on Mar 24, 2013 14:15:46 GMT -8
lol
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Post by Dre on Mar 24, 2013 17:52:59 GMT -8
Psybeam only threatens chansey if it's a last pokemon stall war, in which case zam has a good chance of beating chansey with psychic alone anyway.
The idea behind countering zam has always been that if it stosses, you go to physicals, if it reflects, you stall it with specials.
A chansey that can afford to switch in and out is threatened by psybeam as much it is by stoss, the difference is that the other psychics helping it relieve spc drops are much more threatened by stoss when they're paralysed than by psybeam,
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Post by cheese on Mar 27, 2013 14:25:37 GMT -8
5 slot RBY would be sweet, and it's something I've thought about before.
I think generally we'd get more pokemon using Rest (Snorlax, Zapdos etc.) as you can use Rest and Reflect/Light Screen and still have a good 3 attacking moveslots.
Snorlax would be a beast, mostly because he'd be so unpredictable! The number of viable movesets would rise dramatically for him.
Chansey would also get a boost, as things like Sing and Counter would be easier to encompass.
I'd also love to use Tangela:
Growth
Mega Drain
Swords Dance
Rest
Body Slam
Sure, he's still be completely unviable, but a lot of fun non-the-less!
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 27, 2013 15:55:12 GMT -8
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Post by cheese on Mar 28, 2013 16:51:10 GMT -8
Surely Thunder Wave over Toxic would be the standard? Then again Zapdos has many viable options with Light Screen, Agility etc. |
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 28, 2013 18:25:32 GMT -8
With those five, though, it keeps both its STABs while beating Rhydon/Golem most of the time.
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Post by cheese on Mar 29, 2013 7:32:01 GMT -8
I'd still prefer the Classic Zapdos, as Toxic is risky at the best of times.
Do you really want to take the risk of poisoning something like a Chansey or Jolteon?
Most squads don't have Golem/Rhydon, and even if they do and you call it right you're not going to be in a healthy position once you're done.
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Post by jorgen on Mar 29, 2013 12:20:40 GMT -8
Most squads DO have Golem or Rhydon, although some do not. Also if Golem or Rhydon switches in, odds are it's staying in, so Toxic should be pretty safe.
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 29, 2013 12:33:52 GMT -8
I'd still prefer the Classic Zapdos, as Toxic is risky at the best of times. Do you really want to take the risk of poisoning something like a Chansey or Jolteon? Most squads don't have Golem/Rhydon, and even if they do and you call it right you're not going to be in a healthy position once you're done. Reflect on the switch in, Toxic once they are in. There aren't many who'll switch Golem/Rhydon out of Zapdos expecting Toxic. |
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Post by WaterWizard on Mar 29, 2013 12:34:19 GMT -8
I think it's about even, the teams with and the times without Golem/Rhydon. Maybe 45-55%.
And it's tough to pick a five move Zapdos set. There are lots of options, but six moves would be better...
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Post by Dre on Mar 29, 2013 15:03:06 GMT -8
If you toxic the rock they can just switch out then back in. It's not that hard for the rest of your team to absorb a drill peck.
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 29, 2013 19:45:26 GMT -8
If you toxic the rock they can just switch out then back in. It's not that hard for the rest of your team to absorb a drill peck. Yes, they can do that. The issue is that it doesn't do them much good - they'll still be taking damage every turn while Zapdos Rest-loops. |
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Post by jorgen on Mar 29, 2013 19:51:30 GMT -8
Yeah, but the Rocks could easily run Rest since they now have 5 moveslots, too!
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 29, 2013 20:04:21 GMT -8
Yeah, but the Rocks could easily run Rest since they now have 5 moveslots, too! True dat. Still, their Rest is a bigger target. |
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Post by Dre on Mar 29, 2013 20:36:57 GMT -8
Ignore this.
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Post by cheese on Mar 30, 2013 0:51:01 GMT -8
Yeah, but the Rocks could easily run Rest since they now have 5 moveslots, too! Would you ever be able to pull off resting Rock pokemon though? They normally hit and run, and there are so many things that can OHKO/ 2HKO them (especially with 5 moves, increasing the chance of Surf Starmi/Snorlax, MD Eggy etc.) |
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Post by magic9mushroom on Mar 30, 2013 3:34:46 GMT -8
Yeah, but the Rocks could easily run Rest since they now have 5 moveslots, too! Would you ever be able to pull off resting Rock pokemon though? They normally hit and run, and there are so many things that can OHKO/ 2HKO them (especially with 5 moves, increasing the chance of Surf Starmi/Snorlax, MD Eggy etc.) Actually, aren't the only OU Pokemon without a way to OHKO or 2HKO the Rock/Grounds... Zapdos and Jolteon? Tauros has Blizzard (2HKO). Snorlax has Surf (near-OHKO). Chansey has Ice Beam (2HKO). Exeggutor has STAB Mega Drain (near-OHKO). Alakazam has STAB Psychic (probable 2HKO). Rhydon has STAB EQ (2HKO). Golem has STAB EQ (2HKO). Starmie has STAB Surf (OHKO). Slowbro has STAB Surf (OHKO). Lapras has STAB Blizzard (probable OHKO). Cloyster has STAB Blizzard (possible OHKO). Articuno has STAB Blizzard (OHKO). Jynx has STAB Blizzard (probable OHKO). Persian has BubbleBeam (2HKO). Dragonite has Surf (OHKO). Gengar has Mega Drain (2HKO). |
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