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May 4, 2014 9:10:08 GMT -8
Post by piexplode on May 4, 2014 9:10:08 GMT -8
Hi I'm Piexplode, and I love the look of this place :3 I've only been playing RBY for a couple of weeks; I picked it up because of it being in POWC (I'm in the team for playing XY Ubers) and my friend MewtwoHidden wanting someone to do testing against, and I'd read a little bit before then and decided to try my hand. I must admit I enjoy it a lot, and am keen to learn from the great players who are still playing how to improve my game. I think I understand all the mechanics more or less but teambuilding, prediction, and understanding of situations. I understand RBY is less arcehtype-centric than later gens, but I naturally prefer a more stall-oriented playstyle. Thanks to Shad0wTrainer for showing me there forums. So that's me. Hello RBY2K10
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May 5, 2014 0:15:20 GMT -8
Post by cheese on May 5, 2014 0:15:20 GMT -8
Hello!
Honestly team building in RBY is very simple! Probably 90% of RBY teams are: Tauros Exeggutor Snorlax Chansey
Any 2 out of: Gengar Lapras Starmie Alakazam Golem/Rhydon Zapdos
Prediction can take a bit longer to work out, but if you've played other gens you're probably halfway there already. My only recommendation is that you should expect the top 4 (above) on basically every team, meaning you can usually predict switch-ins even if they haven't revealed their pokemon yet (e.g. predicting Chansey switching in on Starmie).
Also. be sure to remember RBY mechanics at all times (regular CH, no items/natures/abilities, random glitches etc.). A lot of new RBY players who come from later gens make cringe-worthy mistakes (switching Gengar into Earthuake, for example).
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May 5, 2014 4:24:10 GMT -8
Post by piexplode on May 5, 2014 4:24:10 GMT -8
I've played enough to not have issues with forgetting mechanics; also whilst what you're saying is pretty true (from what I understand) in non-wrap, I play a lot in wrap-based metagames too; obviously that means more cloyster/dnite/victreebell. Surely teambuilding is a little bit more varied with that consideration?
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May 5, 2014 5:12:05 GMT -8
Post by marcoasd on May 5, 2014 5:12:05 GMT -8
Yeah, they become more viable, but they are not that good... Imo the main use should be to wrap something and then switch to something to put pressure; while Bel and Cloyster can do other things too, Dnite is too one-dimensional and once you setup, you want to stay in (and that's bad). It's walled by Gengar, and a STAB ice attack on a miss can take it out, so you should switch out against Lapras/Articuno/Cloyster. Victrebeel can put to sleep things even once paralysis has been spread, and that's the main selling point. Still, it hates paralysis (like Tauros) and is somehow in conflict with Exeggutor, as if you want the standard 4+Bel+a lead, you can't use a rock at that point. Cloyster is maybe the most reliable: one of the best physical walls, and it can explode once it's paralyzed. Still, Gengar, Starmie and Lapras are boring to go against. Cloyster's Clamp makes Bel better, as it can almost never switch in safely. I had a team with them, Tauros, Snorlax, Reflect Chansey and a lead, Zam. Maybe Golem over Tauros to cover Zapdos. It can work, but I still think that non-wrap teams are better, and at the end of the day, one of the main thing is that if you want your wrappers and Tauros unparalyzed, you suffer mid-game- where you need to spread paralyis for your wrappers/sweepers. Being in conflict with Tauros is bad as it gets.
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May 5, 2014 5:21:52 GMT -8
Post by piexplode on May 5, 2014 5:21:52 GMT -8
I understand what you're saying. Does playing in a wrap metagame but not using wrap affect teambuilding at all (if you're not going to use wrap on that build?)
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May 5, 2014 6:06:26 GMT -8
Post by shad0wtrainer on May 5, 2014 6:06:26 GMT -8
Welcome to the forums great to see another familiar face here. May our journey to being RBY masters be great thanks for the shout out
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May 5, 2014 6:30:18 GMT -8
Post by piexplode on May 5, 2014 6:30:18 GMT -8
No problem bro; let's hope we get there. Tho I guess in some ways it's the journey tha matters
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May 5, 2014 6:44:56 GMT -8
Post by marcoasd on May 5, 2014 6:44:56 GMT -8
I understand what you're saying. Does playing in a wrap metagame but not using wrap affect teambuilding at all (if you're not going to use wrap on that build?) Teambuilding is obviously different in any case, as you expect those things to be used, sometimes. I do myself, sometimes, even if i prefer other things. Also, you expect things like Gengar or ice types to be more popular etc... usages % are slightly different, and during a game you have more doubts about not revealed pokès. Movesets can be different too, the first example that comes to my mind is Snorlax's... in a wrap-meta I'd use EQ, as Gengar is more popular.
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May 5, 2014 6:51:52 GMT -8
Post by piexplode on May 5, 2014 6:51:52 GMT -8
Okay now here's what might be an interesting question. If you're building a team not using wrap in a wrap-based meta, can you use the differences in the metagame to your advantage in teambuilding, in spite of not using wrap? I guess it's a bit boring if the answer is 'not really' but I'm interested.
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May 5, 2014 8:16:00 GMT -8
Post by marcoasd on May 5, 2014 8:16:00 GMT -8
Okay now here's what might be an interesting question. If you're building a team not using wrap in a wrap-based meta, can you use the differences in the metagame to your advantage in teambuilding, in spite of not using wrap? I guess it's a bit boring if the answer is 'not really' but I'm interested. Sure, but it's mostly about adjustments. The top and still omnipresent pokès are Tauros, Snorlax, Exeggutor and Chansey. At the end of the day, you only have to take care of more things (that most of the time won't appear), making it more complex.
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May 5, 2014 16:35:01 GMT -8
Post by cheese on May 5, 2014 16:35:01 GMT -8
As marco said, there will be small adjustments to your team in a wrap metagame, even if you're not using wrap.
Generally there's a lean towards speed and pokemon with special attacks, so Gengar and Starmie are noticeably better. Snorlax gets a slight nerf, but he's still consistent enough to be omnipresent.
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