GSC OU metagame analysis thing
May 13, 2011 14:11:03 GMT -8
Post by borat on May 13, 2011 14:11:03 GMT -8
Some quick analysis based on usage statistics, which are pretty cool. Wish they had them when there were more gen 1-2 players.
stats.pokemon-online.eu/Past%20Stats/april-2011/OU%20GSC/index.html
A pretty good "artificial" meta I've shaped if I do say so myself.
A huge improvement from the garbage "natural" meta that was 2 months ago.
stats.pokemon-online.eu/Past%20Stats/february-2011/OU%20GSC/index.html
My Vaporeon finally getting its well-deserved due. Raikou is closer to where it should be (albeit still not quite there). Blissey plummeting once the people saw through the skarmbliss nonsense.
Downside though, is that people are definitely being more one sided. Net teaming? Maybe. I took it down now though. A quick look at cloyster would reveal clamp to be the #1 most popular 4th move. Clamp??! Who uses that?! Oh, right. Me. Toxic would be better in an environment with this many Cloysters, just saying. Be creative.
ST Growth vap has become the definitive set. I've recently switched to HP, let's see how long it takes for that to catch on. And really, if people settle, that's where BP/AA vap will begin to shine.
Thunder Zapdos has entirely flipped the script on its tbolt counter part, going from a 42/58 split to a 68/32 preference. Let's see how long it takes for Raikou to hop on the Thunder train as I have. Then I can start using Tentacruels again.
Steelix is almost getting too popular for my liking, and with one "predictable" set now. Explosion steelix "needs" the body slam and rock slide variants to exist to be effective. And Rock Slide vs people trying to sac skarm vs the "predicted" explosion is game breaking.
My distaste for a slower paced GSC game has some pretty negative impacts though. Skarmory almost dropped out of the top 10, which isn't right for a "balanced" metagame. Heracross can probably rape more than half the teams flat out as of now. Skarmory is an important check in GSC for a multitude of things, to ensure than offensive teams can't just "cheat" their coverage by neglecting some specific moves.
No suicune? Mixed sweepers are getting an artificial push. You losing to random "offense"? Use fucking suicune. Either Toxic it, or IB it, Sleep talk or Roar. Take your pick at walling vaps, mixed sweepers to no end.
Forretress. Use it. It's not that bad. In fact, toe to toe, Toxic will always outlast Cloyster, giving you one extra chip to work with. And does Spiking vs Starmie not tickle your fancy?
Misdreavus, stop letting mono-attacking Snorlax ruin your day. Missy forces plays, and you can always cheese it with Attract vs Steelix/Skarm/Ttar phazers.
As aforementioned, Heracross god damnit. Cursetalk wrecks without DP Zapdos (which is completely gone) and skarm (but Stoss variants keep those at bay).
Marowak. Who gives a shit bout HP legends. AND STOP using it in conjunction with Jolteon, learn to use it on its own. Marowak is great independently of Jolteon, probably BETTER and more consistent. Give Marowak some para support and it'll win games on its own. Not like para is bad for other stuff anyway. You'll never pull off joltwak against a good player, but you'll definitely get Marowak to work with stun spores and twaves floating around, even against the best of players.
Rhydon's still good. Vap be switching into Steelix/Ttar all day, but certainly has to think twice about taking 45+ from Rhydon.
Tentacruel. Man, I never thought I'd recommend this again, but shits great. Cloyster top 10, Vap top 10, Thunder electrics everywhere, non-EQ Machamp, this is the PERFECT meta for Tentacruel to dominate in.
Charizard, the old vet favorite, it's never lost effectiveness in any meta. And with Steelix no longer packing RS, Egg being a top 3, starmie falling off the map, and again, thunder electrics, Charizard has barely anything to worry about.
stats.pokemon-online.eu/Past%20Stats/april-2011/OU%20GSC/index.html
A pretty good "artificial" meta I've shaped if I do say so myself.
A huge improvement from the garbage "natural" meta that was 2 months ago.
stats.pokemon-online.eu/Past%20Stats/february-2011/OU%20GSC/index.html
My Vaporeon finally getting its well-deserved due. Raikou is closer to where it should be (albeit still not quite there). Blissey plummeting once the people saw through the skarmbliss nonsense.
Downside though, is that people are definitely being more one sided. Net teaming? Maybe. I took it down now though. A quick look at cloyster would reveal clamp to be the #1 most popular 4th move. Clamp??! Who uses that?! Oh, right. Me. Toxic would be better in an environment with this many Cloysters, just saying. Be creative.
ST Growth vap has become the definitive set. I've recently switched to HP, let's see how long it takes for that to catch on. And really, if people settle, that's where BP/AA vap will begin to shine.
Thunder Zapdos has entirely flipped the script on its tbolt counter part, going from a 42/58 split to a 68/32 preference. Let's see how long it takes for Raikou to hop on the Thunder train as I have. Then I can start using Tentacruels again.
Steelix is almost getting too popular for my liking, and with one "predictable" set now. Explosion steelix "needs" the body slam and rock slide variants to exist to be effective. And Rock Slide vs people trying to sac skarm vs the "predicted" explosion is game breaking.
My distaste for a slower paced GSC game has some pretty negative impacts though. Skarmory almost dropped out of the top 10, which isn't right for a "balanced" metagame. Heracross can probably rape more than half the teams flat out as of now. Skarmory is an important check in GSC for a multitude of things, to ensure than offensive teams can't just "cheat" their coverage by neglecting some specific moves.
No suicune? Mixed sweepers are getting an artificial push. You losing to random "offense"? Use fucking suicune. Either Toxic it, or IB it, Sleep talk or Roar. Take your pick at walling vaps, mixed sweepers to no end.
Forretress. Use it. It's not that bad. In fact, toe to toe, Toxic will always outlast Cloyster, giving you one extra chip to work with. And does Spiking vs Starmie not tickle your fancy?
Misdreavus, stop letting mono-attacking Snorlax ruin your day. Missy forces plays, and you can always cheese it with Attract vs Steelix/Skarm/Ttar phazers.
As aforementioned, Heracross god damnit. Cursetalk wrecks without DP Zapdos (which is completely gone) and skarm (but Stoss variants keep those at bay).
Marowak. Who gives a shit bout HP legends. AND STOP using it in conjunction with Jolteon, learn to use it on its own. Marowak is great independently of Jolteon, probably BETTER and more consistent. Give Marowak some para support and it'll win games on its own. Not like para is bad for other stuff anyway. You'll never pull off joltwak against a good player, but you'll definitely get Marowak to work with stun spores and twaves floating around, even against the best of players.
Rhydon's still good. Vap be switching into Steelix/Ttar all day, but certainly has to think twice about taking 45+ from Rhydon.
Tentacruel. Man, I never thought I'd recommend this again, but shits great. Cloyster top 10, Vap top 10, Thunder electrics everywhere, non-EQ Machamp, this is the PERFECT meta for Tentacruel to dominate in.
Charizard, the old vet favorite, it's never lost effectiveness in any meta. And with Steelix no longer packing RS, Egg being a top 3, starmie falling off the map, and again, thunder electrics, Charizard has barely anything to worry about.