Self-Confusion Damage

[t3h Icy]

I thought to give this effect some more in-depth analyzing. Self-Confusion is damage your Pokemon does to itself during Confusion. Self-Confusion damage always hits (can't 255), and has no minimum or maximum, just a constant. The base damage is 40. Here's the formula:

(((0.4 * Level) + 2) * 40 / 50 * Attack / Defense) + 2

But for our purposes using L100s and with some simplifying, this is a lot better:

(33.6 * Attack / Defense) + 2

Brackets for those that forget to do the order of operations.

So let's get this data into tables:

Here's the amount of damage each Pokemon takes in Self-Confusion.

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Pokemon Hitmonlee Flareon Mankey Bellsprout Beedrill Diglett Primeape Weepinbell Doduo Spearow Machamp Snorlax Jigglypuff Victreebel Magmar Gyarados Aerodactyl Pikachu Raichu Dodrio Machop Ponyta Grimer Rattata Wigglytuff Growlithe Machoke Rapidash Dragonite Dugtrio Arcanine Muk Seaking Scyther Electabuzz Raticate Fearow Nidoran M Hitmonchan Dratini Ekans Jynx Pinsir Dragonair Arbok Nidorino Paras Mewtwo Nidoking Zubat Parasect Meowth Poliwag Krabby Kangaskhan Charmander Golbat Persian Abra Farfetch'd Kingler Exeggutor Moltres Charmeleon Charizard Weedle Pidgey Pidgeotto Venonat Venomoth Kadabra Alakazam Tentacool Tentacruel Gastly Haunter Gengar Rhydon Goldeen Eevee Vaporeon Jolteon Kabutops Pidgeot Psyduck Golduck Drowzee Hypno Tauros Lapras Zapdos Bulbasaur Ivysaur Venusaur Vulpix Ninetales Poliwhirl Slowpoke Chansey Ditto Mew Nidorina Nidoqueen Clefairy Clefable Gloom Vileplume Caterpie Butterfree Sandshrew Sandslash Nidoran F Oddish Poliwrath Rhyhorn Starmie Kabuto Seel Dewgong Staryu Porygon Articuno Wartortle Blastoise Geodude Graveler Golem Squirtle Lickitung Electrode Marowak Weezing Mr.Mime Slowbro Voltorb Koffing Seadra Kakuna Magneton Shellder Horsea Magnemite Exeggcute Cubone Metapod Cloyster Tangela Omastar Omanyte Magikarp Onix

Points of Damage 57 57 53 51 50 49 49 49 49 48 48 48 47 47 47 47 47 46 46 46 45 45 45 44 44 44 44 44 44 43 43 43 43 43 43 42 42 42 42 42 41 41 41 41 40 40 40 40 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 36 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 34 34 34 34 34 34 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 32 32 32 32 32 31 31 31 31 31 30 30 29 29 29 29 28 28 28 28 27 27 27 27 25 25 25 24 23 23 23 22 21 17

And here's the same chart ordered in percentage of damage done.

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Pokemon Diglett Hitmonlee Mankey Doduo Flareon Spearow Pikachu Bellsprout Rattata Dugtrio Abra Ekans Beedrill Ponyta Krabby Dratini Primeape Weepinbell Paras Raichu Dodrio Nidoran M Magmar Gastly Growlithe Hitmonchan Zubat Meowth Poliwag Charmander Raticate Rapidash Machop Pidgey Kadabra Tentacool Victreebel Aerodactyl Electabuzz Weedle Haunter Goldeen Dragonair Fearow Kabuto Vulpix Scyther Machamp Grimer Arbok Farfetch'd Jynx Pinsir Nidorino Staryu Kingler Machoke Parasect Gyarados Bulbasaur Psyduck Seaking Alakazam Eevee Ditto Charmeleon Venonat Gengar Kabutops Dragonite Persian Caterpie Oddish Pidgeotto Arcanine Drowzee Jolteon Geodude Sandshrew Jigglypuff Ivysaur Venomoth Golbat Nidoking Nidoran F Gloom Poliwhirl Muk Squirtle Charizard Shellder Horsea Mr.Mime Butterfree Starmie Tauros Tentacruel Ninetales Moltres Golduck Nidorina Clefairy Graveler Voltorb Koffing Magnemite Pidgeot Exeggutor Wartortle Hypno Venusaur Mewtwo Vileplume Seel Porygon Kangaskhan Zapdos Sandslash Kakuna Snorlax Slowpoke Wigglytuff Rhyhorn Electrode Marowak Rhydon Seadra Magneton Nidoqueen Weezing Mew Clefable Magikarp Poliwrath Blastoise Golem Dewgong Articuno Cubone Omanyte Vaporeon Metapod Lickitung Lapras Exeggcute Cloyster Slowbro Tangela Omastar Onix Chansey

Percentage of Damage 21.97309417 18.81188119 18.72791519 17.94871795 17.11711712 16.96113074 16.84981685 16.83168317 16.73003802 15.75091575 15.01976285 15.01831502 15.01501502 14.85148515 14.82889734 14.73684211 14.71471471 14.71471471 14.65201465 14.24148607 14.24148607 14.23728814 14.11411411 14.06844106 14.05750799 13.86138614 13.78091873 13.78091873 13.78091873 13.52313167 13.41853035 13.21321321 13.11953353 13.07420495 13.07420495 13.07420495 12.9476584 12.9476584 12.91291291 12.62798635 12.62798635 12.62798635 12.61538462 12.61261261 12.54752852 12.54480287 12.53644315 12.53263708 12.39669421 12.38390093 12.37785016 12.31231231 12.31231231 12.30769231 12.16730038 12.14057508 12.12121212 12.07430341 11.95928753 11.94539249 11.88118812 11.84573003 11.82108626 11.82108626 11.70568562 11.59874608 11.45510836 11.45510836 11.45510836 11.42857143 11.41141141 11.26279863 11.26279863 11.24620061 11.22715405 11.14551084 11.11111111 10.9540636 10.89108911 10.85450346 10.83591331 10.78717201 10.76487252 10.68493151 10.54313099 10.52631579 10.51051051 10.41162228 10.30927835 10.30640669 10.2661597 10.2661597 10.24734982 10.21671827 10.21671827 10.19830028 10.19283747 10.0286533 9.921671018 9.917355372 9.912536443 9.912536443 9.904153355 9.893992933 9.893992933 9.881422925 9.756097561 9.669211196 9.657320872 9.651474531 9.641873278 9.638554217 9.631728045 9.60960961 9.60960961 9.443099274 9.399477807 9.348441926 9.215017065 9.177820268 9.138381201 9.109730849 9.090909091 8.978328173 8.978328173 8.958837772 8.945686901 8.910891089 8.877284595 8.708708709 8.684863524 8.651399491 8.641975309 8.61618799 8.587257618 8.539944904 8.355091384 8.355091384 8.250825083 8.058608059 7.991360691 7.920792079 7.832898172 7.77537797 7.73993808 7.590759076 7.124681934 6.906906907 6.705539359 6.227106227 4.978662873

Now, this can shift up and down if you raise or decrease your Attack and Defense, so using Swords Dance will increase the damage you take etc. One thing we could do though that isn't too uncommon is decrease our Pokemon's Attack DV to 1. For Pokemon like Chansey and Alakazam, Attack is an unused stat except for Self-Confusion and Struggle. If you feel that you won't need Struggle or you happen to get Confused a lot, you can do this. The reason why Attack DV is not dropped to 0 is because the HP DV is based on which of the other four are odd, and if Attack is not odd (0), then HP falls by 8 points. Definitely not worth it.

DV 1 drops Attack by 28 points. Here are the new charts:

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Pokemon Hitmonlee Flareon Mankey Bellsprout Beedrill Primeape Doduo Weepinbell Machamp Gyarados Snorlax Magmar Victreebel Aerodactyl Diglett Spearow Raichu Dodrio Machop Grimer Dragonite Pikachu Ponyta Rapidash Machoke Jigglypuff Dugtrio Growlithe Electabuzz Scyther Seaking Arcanine Muk Wigglytuff Rattata Hitmonchan Fearow Pinsir Dratini Raticate Dragonair Mewtwo Ekans Nidoran M Arbok Jynx Krabby Paras Nidorino Kingler Parasect Nidoking Kangaskhan Zubat Meowth Poliwag Farfetch'd Kabutops Persian Golbat Moltres Exeggutor Rhydon Charmander Goldeen Charmeleon Charizard Tauros Pidgeot Zapdos Lapras Pidgey Tentacool Haunter Psyduck Alakazam Eevee Venonat Gengar Pidgeotto Jolteon Venomoth Tentacruel Ninetales Golduck Hypno Mew Vaporeon Gastly Kadabra Weedle Drowzee Ivysaur Poliwhirl Venusaur Slowpoke Abra Vulpix Bulbasaur Ditto Gloom Nidorina Vileplume Sandslash Rhyhorn Nidoqueen Clefable Poliwrath Kabuto Oddish Sandshrew Nidoran F Butterfree Starmie Clefairy Golem Dewgong Articuno Caterpie Graveler Porygon Blastoise Staryu Geodude Wartortle Seel Squirtle Electrode Marowak Weezing Lickitung Chansey Mr.Mime Koffing Seadra Slowbro Shellder Voltorb Magneton Horsea Kakuna Magnemite Cubone Exeggcute Cloyster Tangela Omastar Metapod Omanyte Magikarp Onix

Points of Damage 53 52 48 46 45 45 44 44 44 44 44 43 43 43 42 42 42 42 41 41 41 40 40 40 40 40 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 39 38 38 38 38 37 37 37 37 36 36 36 36 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 31 31 31 31 31 31 31 31 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 29 29 29 29 29 29 29 29 29 29 28 28 28 28 27 27 27 27 26 26 26 26 26 26 25 25 25 25 24 24 24 23 22 21 21 21 21 20 20 19 18 16 14

And percentages again.

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Pokemon Diglett Hitmonlee Mankey Doduo Flareon Bellsprout Spearow Pikachu Rattata Dugtrio Beedrill Primeape Krabby Weepinbell Ponyta Ekans Raichu Dodrio Dratini Magmar Paras Hitmonchan Growlithe Nidoran M Zubat Meowth Poliwag Rapidash Machop Abra Victreebel Aerodactyl Raticate Gastly Charmander Electabuzz Machamp Fearow Pinsir Dragonair Scyther Pidgey Tentacool Grimer Goldeen Gyarados Kingler Arbok Farfetch'd Kabuto Machoke Kadabra Haunter Parasect Jynx Nidorino Vulpix Seaking Dragonite Weedle Psyduck Kabutops Charmeleon Staryu Bulbasaur Alakazam Eevee Persian Arcanine Ditto Venonat Gengar Oddish Pidgeotto Golbat Jolteon Drowzee Ivysaur Nidoking Sandshrew Caterpie Geodude Muk Tauros Venomoth Poliwhirl Gloom Nidoran F Jigglypuff Charizard Ninetales Shellder Butterfree Starmie Graveler Pidgeot Squirtle Mewtwo Moltres Mr.Mime Koffing Tentacruel Golduck Nidorina Horsea Exeggutor Zapdos Hypno Venusaur Vileplume Sandslash Voltorb Kangaskhan Clefairy Snorlax Wartortle Porygon Magnemite Rhyhorn Rhydon Seel Slowpoke Wigglytuff Electrode Marowak Golem Seadra Mew Magneton Nidoqueen Poliwrath Weezing Blastoise Clefable Dewgong Articuno Kakuna Lapras Cubone Cloyster Vaporeon Lickitung Omanyte Magikarp Exeggcute Slowbro Metapod Tangela Omastar Onix Chansey

Percentage of Damage 18.83408072 17.49174917 16.96113074 16.11721612 15.61561562 15.18151815 14.8409894 14.65201465 14.4486692 14.28571429 13.51351351 13.51351351 13.30798479 13.21321321 13.20132013 13.18681319 13.00309598 13.00309598 12.98245614 12.91291291 12.82051282 12.54125413 12.4600639 12.20338983 12.01413428 12.01413428 12.01413428 12.01201201 11.95335277 11.85770751 11.84573003 11.84573003 11.82108626 11.78707224 11.74377224 11.71171171 11.48825065 11.41141141 11.41141141 11.38461538 11.37026239 11.30742049 11.30742049 11.29476584 11.26279863 11.19592875 11.18210863 11.14551084 11.07491857 11.02661597 11.01928375 10.9540636 10.92150171 10.83591331 10.81081081 10.76923077 10.75268817 10.74380165 10.64935065 10.58020478 10.56105611 10.52631579 10.34482759 10.2661597 10.23890785 10.22364217 10.22364217 10.21021021 10.18276762 10.03344482 9.907120743 9.907120743 9.897610922 9.726443769 9.631728045 9.60960961 9.59752322 9.59752322 9.589041096 9.570957096 9.556313993 9.540636042 9.443099274 9.348441926 9.329446064 9.309309309 9.287925697 9.265175719 9.237875289 9.192200557 9.169054441 9.125475285 8.978328173 8.978328173 8.945686901 8.943089431 8.934707904 8.915662651 8.877284595 8.833922261 8.833922261 8.815426997 8.815426997 8.746355685 8.745247148 8.651399491 8.61618799 8.579088472 8.539944904 8.498583569 8.498583569 8.480565371 8.474576271 8.454810496 8.413001912 8.411214953 8.408408408 8.300395257 8.26446281 8.232445521 8.108108108 8.093994778 8.074534161 8.049535604 8.049535604 7.988980716 7.987220447 7.94044665 7.920792079 7.832898172 7.832898172 7.807807808 7.756232687 7.633587786 7.571801567 7.571801567 7.508532423 7.127429806 6.930693069 6.930693069 6.911447084 6.788511749 6.593406593 6.58436214 6.501547988 6.361323155 6.270627063 6.006006006 5.83090379 5.128205128 3.698435277

And we can take it one step further! While Netbattle doesn't allow you to change Stat Experience, ideally you could have a Pokemon that has 0 in Stat Experience for Attack, reducing Attack by another 63 points, and 91 in total.

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Pokemon Flareon Hitmonlee Machamp Mankey Primeape Gyarados Snorlax Dodrio Dragonite Doduo Bellsprout Beedrill Weepinbell Magmar Victreebel Aerodactyl Raichu Rapidash Scyther Machoke Arcanine Muk Ponyta Hitmonchan Machop Pinsir Grimer Seaking Spearow Electabuzz Fearow Kingler Mewtwo Diglett Dugtrio Krabby Growlithe Raticate Rhydon Wigglytuff Dragonair Arbok Parasect Kabutops Nidoking Moltres Kangaskhan Pikachu Dratini Tauros Exeggutor Rattata Paras Nidorino Golbat Jigglypuff Charizard Zapdos Mew Lapras Ekans Nidoran M Farfetch'd Persian Pidgeot Golduck Goldeen Jynx Charmeleon Gengar Jolteon Venomoth Ninetales Tentacruel Hypno Venusaur Sandslash Golem Nidoqueen Vaporeon Poliwag Charmander Kabuto Pidgeotto Poliwhirl Graveler Vileplume Rhyhorn Slowpoke Poliwrath Clefable Zubat Meowth Haunter Psyduck Alakazam Eevee Venonat Ivysaur Sandshrew Gloom Starmie Blastoise Dewgong Articuno Pidgey Bulbasaur Drowzee Geodude Nidorina Weezing Tentacool Ditto Oddish Wartortle Porygon Marowak Gastly Kadabra Vulpix Weedle Nidoran F Butterfree Clefairy Slowbro Staryu Shellder Squirtle Koffing Seel Electrode Seadra Lickitung Mr.Mime Magneton Cloyster Caterpie Abra Horsea Cubone Omastar Voltorb Exeggcute Tangela Magnemite Kakuna Omanyte Metapod Onix Chansey Magikarp

Points of Damage 43 42 36 35 35 35 35 34 34 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 32 31 31 31 31 31 30 30 30 30 30 30 29 29 29 29 29 28 28 28 28 28 28 28 27 27 27 27 27 27 27 26 26 26 26 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 24 24 24 24 24 24 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 23 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 21 20 20 20 20 20 20 19 19 19 19 19 19 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 16 16 16 15 14 14 14 14 13 13 13 12 11 11 9 9 7 6

And the percentage charts.

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Pokemon Hitmonlee Flareon Diglett Mankey Doduo Bellsprout Krabby Dodrio Primeape Dugtrio Spearow Beedrill Weepinbell Magmar Raichu Ponyta Hitmonchan Pikachu Rattata Machamp Rapidash Kingler Paras Dratini Victreebel Aerodactyl Scyther Pinsir Growlithe Raticate Gyarados Dragonite Ekans Machop Electabuzz Fearow Machoke Kabuto Arbok Parasect Kabutops Dragonair Grimer Seaking Nidoran M Arcanine Goldeen Charmander Farfetch'd Poliwag Nidorino Muk Zubat Meowth Nidoking Tauros Charmeleon Persian Haunter Gengar Golbat Pidgey Geodude Moltres Graveler Mewtwo Charizard Psyduck Sandshrew Jynx Jolteon Gastly Bulbasaur Rhydon Tentacool Alakazam Eevee Venomoth Snorlax Pidgeotto Exeggutor Golduck Poliwhirl Ninetales Kangaskhan Zapdos Sandslash Pidgeot Venonat Ivysaur Gloom Starmie Oddish Staryu Shellder Vulpix Kadabra Ditto Tentacruel Venusaur Golem Vileplume Mew Drowzee Hypno Weedle Rhyhorn Koffing Weezing Nidoqueen Wartortle Marowak Squirtle Nidorina Blastoise Wigglytuff Jigglypuff Nidoran F Slowpoke Poliwrath Porygon Mr.Mime Clefable Butterfree Abra Dewgong Articuno Seadra Lapras Horsea Magneton Cloyster Electrode Clefairy Caterpie Seel Vaporeon Magnemite Cubone Voltorb Slowbro Lickitung Omastar Omanyte Exeggcute Tangela Kakuna Onix Metapod Magikarp Chansey

Percentage of Damage 13.86138614 12.91291291 12.55605381 12.36749117 12.08791209 10.89108911 10.64638783 10.52631579 10.51051051 10.25641026 10.24734982 9.90990991 9.90990991 9.90990991 9.907120743 9.900990099 9.900990099 9.523809524 9.505703422 9.399477807 9.309309309 9.265175719 9.157509158 9.122807018 9.090909091 9.090909091 9.037900875 9.009009009 8.945686901 8.945686901 8.905852417 8.831168831 8.791208791 8.746355685 8.708708709 8.708708709 8.539944904 8.365019011 8.359133127 8.359133127 8.359133127 8.307692308 8.26446281 8.26446281 8.13559322 8.093994778 7.849829352 7.829181495 7.817589577 7.77385159 7.692307692 7.506053269 7.4204947 7.4204947 7.397260274 7.365439093 7.210031348 7.207207207 7.167235495 7.120743034 7.082152975 7.067137809 7.067137809 7.049608355 7.028753994 6.987951807 6.963788301 6.930693069 6.930693069 6.906906907 6.906906907 6.844106464 6.825938567 6.779661017 6.713780919 6.709265176 6.709265176 6.705539359 6.692160612 6.686930091 6.615776081 6.611570248 6.606606607 6.59025788 6.537530266 6.527415144 6.515580737 6.504065041 6.501547988 6.501547988 6.501547988 6.501547988 6.484641638 6.463878327 6.463878327 6.451612903 6.360424028 6.35451505 6.336088154 6.336088154 6.336088154 6.232294618 6.203473945 6.191950464 6.166219839 6.14334471 6.060606061 6.007067138 6.006006006 6.005221932 5.919003115 5.882352941 5.841924399 5.83090379 5.817174515 5.797101449 5.773672055 5.750798722 5.744125326 5.744125326 5.705705706 5.653710247 5.597964377 5.572755418 5.533596838 5.483028721 5.483028721 5.431309904 5.399568035 5.323193916 5.280528053 5.280528053 5.263157895 5.247813411 5.119453925 5.105105105 4.967602592 4.743083004 4.620462046 4.593639576 4.580152672 4.438642298 4.081632653 4.029304029 4.024767802 3.903903904 3.754266212 3.296703297 2.97029703 2.469135802 0.995732575

This makes Self-Confusion for Chansey laughable, but unfortunately, Netbattle doesn't let you change Stat Experience.

So as you can see, Self-Confusion is basically the ratio of Attack to Defense, where offensive Pokemon take the most damage, while defensive Pokemon don't notice any difference in health.

[jorgen]

0 stat experience in Attack is impossible in-game, too, unless you go with just +40/63 EVs in every other stat. iirc, +27 in attack is the absolute minimum with max in other stats.