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Post by brookman on Mar 26, 2012 11:13:24 GMT -8
303; 288; 458; 238; 268 Tier: OU/BL Cloyster is an interesting pokemon. However, by Rby2k10's standards Cloyster is relegated to the roll of "I'm really defensive and I can explode". Movesets: No-Wrappers: Blizzard/Ice beam Explosion Hyper Beam Rest This set functions as a freezer who can support physically-weak pokemon like Chansey/Zam in the face of snorlax/exeggutor/tauros and Bliz/Ice beam/explode in the face of common switches like starmie/lapras. 288 Attack matches exegutor, meaning his explosion will be quite potent. Clampster (OP/UBER): Clamp Blizzard Hyper Beam Explosion This set is OP. With the helps of a lead zam/chansey/starmie, Paralyzing a few key problem mons will usually result in an EASY sweep backed by blizzard/hyper beam.
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Post by Crystal_ on Mar 26, 2012 12:08:26 GMT -8
Clamp Cloyster is not as effective as you are saying. First, it's never getting past unparalyzed Starmie/Alakazam, and it's still difficult to get past Chansey, Lapras and paralyzed Zam/Starm. Also Zapdos/Jolteon.
I presonally like Rest over Hyper Beam, to let Cloy rest loop Snorlaxes if need be. If not, explode into Starmie/Chansey/Zam. His Clamp has mostly defensive/team player uses, it's not like Dnite; Cloyster is almost never sweeping unless the game was pretty much over.
You are overestimating Clamp (or wrap moves in genreal) way too much. Cloyster is not OP, it still gets to the top 10 I guess, but that's it.
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Post by YellowRBY on Aug 18, 2012 4:06:32 GMT -8
Would a clamp cloyster be better than Articuno or Lapras? Or do they all not function the same?
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Post by Isa on Aug 18, 2012 5:00:07 GMT -8
I think it is safe to say that Clamp Cloyster is better than Articuno, but Cloyster and Lapras don't really function the same, as Lapras gets Thunderbolt to deal with waters.
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Post by Zilch on Aug 18, 2012 5:01:31 GMT -8
70 accuracy. Don't depend on it.
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Post by Isa on Aug 18, 2012 5:07:57 GMT -8
That too, but you cannot deny that Clamp is a major boost for Cloyster.
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Post by jorgen on Aug 18, 2012 5:50:09 GMT -8
I thought it was 75% accuracy. Also yeah Clamp Cloy and Lapras function differently, Cloy is more defensive because he can tank Snorlax and Tauros better and get you free switches. (PROTIP: Don't try to sweep with Clamp. It will only end in disappointment. Just abuse it for free switches.) Lapras hits like a truck and has the coverage to pull it off thanks to Tbolt, all while having the defenses to take on Snorlax 1-on-1 (albeit not nearly as well as Cloy can).
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Post by YellowRBY on Aug 18, 2012 7:52:06 GMT -8
How about Double-Edge instead of Hyper Beam? Would it be unwise to put Rest on a Cloy instead of Explosion for any reason?
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Post by jorgen on Aug 18, 2012 9:37:10 GMT -8
You kind of want both Rest and Explosion because they're two of Cloy's best moves in his otherwise barren movepool. Hyper Beam is more filler than anything and should be replaced by Clamp if the meta allows it. DE could definitely work over it, it gets consistent damage on things that take Blizzards well without forcing Cloy to Explode to take them out, and it also conserves Blizzard PP when you're seeing stuff like Zam switch-ins. Again, though, that last moveslot is pretty much just filler and you won't be using it much anyway.
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Post by Dre on Aug 19, 2012 0:57:10 GMT -8
Double edge isn't that good though because anything worth hitting with it will either recover it off or will have thunderbolt. The situations it's useful in are far too specific to justify a slot over other moves.
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Post by Crystal_ on Sept 5, 2012 2:17:48 GMT -8
I think HB is perfectly viable in the clamp set over rest now that rest+boom seems to be the expected set. It really increases your chances of sweeping chansey.
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Post by Consumptus on Sept 5, 2012 20:15:41 GMT -8
I think I ran Leer + Hyper Beam.
I can't say I like Rest in OU since your opponent can just switch again and you're left with a 2 turn sleeping Cloyster.
Better to just double switch or fire off a Blizzard for a freeze.
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Post by Dre on Sept 6, 2012 21:12:02 GMT -8
Sleeping cloyster is still a decent switch into tauros and snorlax though.
You're pretty much never going to sweep with clamp unless it's very late game because it's 16 PP with 75% accuracy is easy to stall out.
The free switches are good, although they don't become as free when you're opponent starts to read what you're doing. You clamp their starmie, then go to chansey. Eventually they'll start switching to snorlax when starmie gets clamped.
Its typing makes it a good switch in to chansey's ice beam, but it'll be costly if it misses clamp. At the same time though chansey will be scared of getting blown up so it may not stay in.
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Post by David the Chansey on Sept 7, 2012 4:46:28 GMT -8
I really really really prefer Lapras over Cloyster. Just saying.
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Post by jorgen on Sept 7, 2012 17:04:42 GMT -8
I personally go to high-health Snorlax against a clamped Starmie (or against a clamped pretty much anything, tbh). Starmie isn't honestly doing much to Lax in return, and Bslam para murders it. You need Rest to let it continue to come in against Chansey and stuff, but even without it's still far better than switching to Chansey after Clamp. That's just weak and defeats the purpose - what's keeping you from going to Chansey without Clamp?
Oh and sweeping Chansey is far from Cloyster's main concern, so screw Hyper Beam. I'd rather have the boom to take out a Specialist or a Slowbro for sure - I mean I'm probably just going to go straight to Snorlax or something after a Clamp to wreck Chansey's shit instead of trying to kill it with Cloyster.
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Post by t3h Icy on Sept 7, 2012 17:32:25 GMT -8
Cloyster is superb with Clamp, and still great without it, but he's harder to use than other Pokemon as he plays with pressure a lot.
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