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Post by David the Chansey on Apr 20, 2012 11:52:18 GMT -8
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Post by Zilch on Apr 20, 2012 23:13:39 GMT -8
Agilitywrap Dragonair would be pretty dang tough to beat.
As for the Magneton thing, I still prefer Electrode. That 25% critical rate is nothing to sneeze at, plus he can always go boom. Magneton's good for Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, and not much else. Hyper Beam off of 238 Attack isn't exactly the best in the West.
Heck, I even tried to make Pikachu have some time in the spotlight at one point, but he didn't turn out so well. Surf just isn't worth the awful non-Speed stats.
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Post by Dre on Apr 21, 2012 0:57:25 GMT -8
Machamp can beat Fearow if it switches in on rslide. Having both rslide and eq on the one machamp isn't that bad in NU, as along with hyper beam alone I'm pretty sure it 2hkos everything except omastar and wigglytuff with just those three moves, and submission can be used over bslam to 2hko those two.
Edit- He can only 2hko seadra, but doesn't need submission for that because he can 3hko with eq eq hbeam. I'm pretty sure he loses to seadra though anyway.
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Post by Isa on Apr 21, 2012 3:48:42 GMT -8
Try Exeggcute vs. Machamp.
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Post by Zilch on Apr 22, 2012 14:06:16 GMT -8
Machamp outspeeds Exeggute and can 2HKO with Fire Blast, though having FB in the first place is a bit dubious. It would basically be for Exeggcute alone as Parasect is weak to Rock Slide (Fire Blast has about a 60% chance to OHKO him) and Ivysaur/Vileplume take neutral damage from Earthquake. My ideal Machamp would be EQ/RS/HB and either BSlam or Submission.
Speaking of Vileplume, does anyone here think she can actually be useful in NU? Basically, she's Weepinbell with superior overall stats but no Razor Leaf. Still, she would theoretically have a chance to make some use out of Swords Dance, unlike Ivy or Weep, because she wouldn't be so vulnerable to a quick 2HKO and has a passable Attack stat to work with.
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Post by brookman on Apr 22, 2012 16:16:35 GMT -8
isn't it sad that we're discussing Machamp vs. Execute and we're worried Machamp MIGHT lose. . .
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Post by Dre on May 7, 2012 6:01:14 GMT -8
I was thinking of Parasect as my NU grass. It's one of the best rhyhorn switch ins in the meta, taking only like 10% from EQ, and outspeeds it. It beats rhyhorn 1v1 with mdrain (even though rslide 2hkos), but probably the best thing about it is that the opponent is either going to cop a spore, or switch in a statused mon to take the spore. The cool thing is that if you can read the statused switch in, you may get to use a boosting move, as they'll likely be parad.
Leech life is viable as it is a healing move that is boosted by sdance, but also does x4 damage to every other grass in the tier. He takes 1/4 from grass attacks, but is outsped by all other grasses. Also, he doesn't really threaten them switching in, because they'll outspeed him and status him, and if they're parad that means they don't fear spore, so either way parasect will end up crippled.
Slash only has something like a 48.6% chance to crit, but it does decent damage whenever it does. He has dig for fire switch ins or gastly, but that's too gimmicky and doesn't justify a slot, especially as parasect has 4 moveslot syndrome.
Spore is really a given on any set, but I'm not really sure what else it should have. He can go as either a physical or special booster, or as a mixed attacker.
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Post by brookman on May 7, 2012 6:25:14 GMT -8
When I play parasect I use slash WITH SD . . . .
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Post by gunbladelad on May 7, 2012 7:20:31 GMT -8
Parasect is one of the few Pokemon where that combo makes sense due to it's minute Critical Hit rate.
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Post by David the Chansey on May 7, 2012 9:00:20 GMT -8
Haha nice quirk.
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Post by Isa on May 7, 2012 16:36:14 GMT -8
Parasect comes in on EQ - all good.
Parasect comes in on RSlide - not as good.
Handles Machamp better, IMO - at least safer. Not all Machamp's have RSlide over EQ/HBeam/BSlam/Submission.
Also remember that after sleeping, you're not really doing anything more as everything threatens you, especially Fearow/Rapidash/Magmar/Muk/Weezing who has that nasty STAB *4 attack. I don't recommend Swords Dance for that reason.
Does Parasect learn SSpore? If so, Spore+SSpore+Mega Drain+Physical damage move not named Slash is my proposed set.
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Post by Zilch on May 7, 2012 17:14:05 GMT -8
That's typically the Parasect set I use. Spore something, Stun Spore everything else, and BSlam/Mega Drain for damage. It's actually really satisfying to predict a Fearow switch-in and Stun Spore it to paralysis. I wouldn't want to lose that coverage to fit Swords Dance in.
If you absolutely need a Swords Dancer, try Scyther or Lickitung, or even Vileplume.
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Post by Dre on May 7, 2012 19:04:27 GMT -8
Isa- I think it can afford to take a rslide because mdrain does like 90% to rhyhorn and he outspeeds it, so that's a decent amount of recovered hp. It's also unlikely to rslide unless it's seen your para before.
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