Which is the better pokemon?

[Dre]

Omastar also walls fearow and can still beat machamp 1v1, who are the two best sweepers in the tier.

Fires can be semi useful if the opponent doesn't have omastar. They basically just come in and body slam the switch in, or attempt to burn rhyhorn. It's still not enough to justify a slot for me though.

I'd say machamp is the best pokemon in NU. Seadra can't touch other waters, especially staryu, whereas machamp can threaten every switch in and beat everything 1v1 if he predicts the switch in. I'd say he's the snorlax of NU.

[Isa]

Yeah I am starting to re-evaluate Fire types, or at least Rapidash. >_>

Magmar could be cool though still. Psychic isn't very strong but can bypass Omastar and hits Ivy/Gastly/Machamp/Muk/Weezing, Confuse Ray is always annoying, Seismic Toss/Submission can cause harm to Omastar, Hyper Beam can OHKO Abra...and of course Fire Blast =p

[Dre]

But see most of those moves with the exception of cray are crap if they don't hit the right pokemon. I think that if you're going to be that aggressive with your attacks, you might as well just switch to a counter.

Mentioning psychic for poisons is redundant because poisons won't switch in on magmar anyway.

The difference with machamp is that unlike magmar, even if he predicts the switch correctly, he's not still scared out in a lot of cases.

Fire types are just too one dimensional and require too much prediction for me. They basically switch in, try to predict whatever is going to switch in and hit it, then switch out. They don't really offer a lot of control, which I think is a big deal in NU because most pokemon are forced out pretty quickly.

[Crystal_]

Fearow, being hardwalled by Omastar and Rhyhorn, having a super hard time against electrics and blizzards, not up there as the best sweeper.
Pretty much everything beats machamp 1vs1. Sure, nothing wants to switch into it, but then again what does champ really force out? Rhyhorn. Parasect??
And fire-types just suck. Okay lets say there's no Omastar to hardwall them. They are still not getting past Seadra+Rhyhron anyway. Will get worn down before. They're only getting free hits from grasses and can't switch into status. Mag, Wak, Champ etc all win 1on1.

On the other hand Seadra beats pretty much everything 1 on 1 bar mag (who can however be hardwalled right away) and staryu. Other waters? which are the other waters? Omastar? Seadra wins. Slowpoke? Well yea right I'll give you this one but you probably hadn't even considered it. Seaking???
But Staryu is going to have to recover more than half the times it switches into Seadra so it really isn't that great because you'll be basically letting some dangerous stuff in for free. And you'll have to predict well the turn you attack because of the same thing. And if you don't pack recover you are no longer walling Seadra/Omastar. Plus Seadra could always run Hyper Beam if Staryu becomes popular.
But Staryu is great nonetheless. Waters are great. Seadra's still great. Omastar too.

And Muk actually seems interesting. Damn slow though =/

[Dre]

Fearow is definitely a top sweeper in NU. It's unlikely someone will run both omasttar and rhyhorn, and if they do they're very water/grass weak. As a late-game sweeper, fearow will be facing a lot of parad and damaged stuff, and if their rock is gone dedge and hbeam will hurt a lot of common pokemon, plus it has agility to nerf para speed drops.

Champ 2-3hkos everything, which makes it hard to switch into, and it forces out anything that's parad or has low hp. Champ has SE moves on pretty much every bulky pokemon in NU coming off that huge attack stat, so switching into him isn't easy.

Seadra will lose to status though, as it isn't particularly bulky and doesn't recover. It will also have trouble switching into anything other than resisted attacks.

[Crystal_]

No need to run both. You don't have to run Golem/Rhydon to wall Zapdos initially, do you?
Fearow is an okayish pokemon, pretty good late game sweeper, but Seadra is arguably a better late game sweeper if we are into that. But Fearow shouldn't be compared with Seadra anyway.

Of course stuff may be statused and low healthyish. I agree that champ is great in this scenario, but many other things are. Marowak is one of them, arguably better. Seadra too unless maybe there is staryu. Seadra hitting the switches as ahrd as champ. And seadra is more likely to be getting two due to higher speed.

uhm, are fearow/champ bulkier than seadra? Factoring on weaknesses/resistances, no. Do F/C recover? nope. Can F/C switch into anything they doesn't resist?? Can Machamp actually switch into anything that's gonna attack???

PD: I'm not saying fearow/champ suck or to never use them though. I'm just arguing they are mediocre (champ maybe above mediocre aka good). But definitely not the two best sweepers in NU. But wait, anyway, is there anything in NU that's not a sweeper haha

Quick list of usefulness straight from my head (subject to discrepancies):

Seadra
Omastar
Magneton
Marowak
Machamp
Staryu
Weepinbell
Parasect
Exeggcute
Rhyhorn
Abra
Wigglytuff
Dragonair
Fearow
Gastly

idk everything is really close

[Dre]

Do other people use parasect apart from me? I'd like to know how they use it.

I don't really rate abra and gastly, they're too frail without being able to recover and can't switch into anything. NU forces so many switches that I think bulk is favoured over being fast and able to hit hard.

[GGFan]

I use Parasect, but only in OU.

[Crystal_]

Hitmonlee looks interesting?

[Isa]

Garrin Red agrees with you on that

[WaterWizard]

No one else does.

[Dre]

I might try out seaking just for laughs. It outspeeds all the grasses and has the highest attack stat of all the NU waters, so it might win against a paralysed seadra or something like that lol.

[Zilch]

I briefly experimented with Seaking once, with a set of (I believe) Agility/Surf/Blizzard/Hyper Beam. Didn't work out too well. Maybe fit Double-Edge in there somewhere?

As for Parasect, I've used him in NU, and he's actually a pretty good status spreader. Spore/Stun Spore/BSlam/MDrain seems to be the most effective for me as he's too slow and vulnerable to really make Swords Dance work, not to mention his craptacular critical rate with Slash (one third of the time). Nobody better to take Rhyhorn's Earthquake and send him running, though! Gotta watch out for a Rock Slide prediction, mind you...

I still find Exeggcute to be more useful as a whole, though maybe I'm just not the best Parasect user around.

[Dre]

I run slash over bslam because I think the crit chance outweighs the extra consistent damage. The paralysis chance isn't really a draw if you run stun spore.

[Isa]

Getting a free turn of paralysis is very, very handy. Every Parasect should run Stun Spore, but if you land a Body Slam paralysis, you get the paralysis along with some very useful damage and can switch out safely.

That said, Parasect has a very eh movepool. I agree that Swords Dance isn't really worth it, unless your opponent stays in on your Spore.

[Dexter]

Spore/Stun Spore are Parasect's best moves and the ones you'll use most, followed by Mega Drain (just because it actually lets it KO something). You probably wouldn't be using his normal type move much except to hurt Tangela in UU I guess. If you're using him in OU you could even use leech life for exeggutor or lol dig. Parasect won't sweep anything with swords dance, and if it does then your opponent would have probably lost to something else anyway.

I will say body slam is probably inferior to slash. Even with the lower crit rate It still outdamages body slam on average. The paralysis chance is negligible since you're not really going to be using parasect's damaging attacks until you've paralized everything you can anyway. He's not tauros, you can't just send him out and start body slamming expecting to win.

[Dre]

Leech life also has use in NU because it hits every over grass in the tier for x4 DAMAGE.

[Isa]

You have to admit: Spore/Stun Spore/Mega Drain/Leech Life looks like a pitiful set in a non-RBYPlus setting. =p

[Zilch]

Kinda reminds me of the time I did a solo Parasect run in Red with Spore/Swords Dance/Mega Drain/Leech Life. It was awesome to say the least, though many Ethers/Elixirs were needed. Gary's Exeggutor and Alakazam never saw it coming. Blaine made my life a living hell, though.

Parasect's always been one of my favouite Pokemon, though I'm not really sure why...

[Isa]

I'm imagining that you picked Squirtle at the start to give Gary Venusaur instead of Charizard. =p

[Zilch]

Charmander, actually.

[Isa]

To avoid Sleep Powder...?

[WaterWizard]

I've always loved Parasect, too, Zilch. Not sure why! His cry is pretty awesome I guess.

[Zilch]

Okay, before this turns into the Parasect appreciation thread...

What do you think of Marowak in NU? Do you think he's more usable than Rhyhorn?

[Dre]

I love parasect too, but I love all the bugs.

I'd say wak is better if you're running omastar to take normal attacks and burns.

I love switching my parasect into horn's EQ for like 10% to set up a powder.