Team Analysis/ Team Guide Threads
Jul 14, 2012 1:26:22 GMT -8
Post by YellowRBY on Jul 14, 2012 1:26:22 GMT -8
Every Pokemon forum has one of these except for this one; just wondering why.
I'm guessing that because of the "limited" number of viable Pokemon and movesets, people in this forum have shied away from having their teams analyzed anymore. There's a set list of Pokemon that can be used in a set list of ways to just win so why talk about it? Why not just "spice things up" by playing Little Cups, BL or UU? I dunno about that...
Given the pretty well-defined metagame of RBY you'd think that team analysis becomes more fun. Half of the fun is that you already KNOW what your enemy is going to do. Question is, now what? Do you go for one of the generic OU teams? Do you try to throw in a couple of UU Pokemon just to spice things up? Do you add in some Pokemon tailored to take advantage of our metagame through creative/gimmicky ways? I admit that I'm probably late to the party but then again, maybe it hasn't even started.
One of the mainstays of an RTS forum is the Build Order thread. Without build order threads, metagames stagnate and everything becomes about untilization of mechanics rather than use of timings and shortcuts. The only way for a game to evolve is for someone to find something to exploit and then abusing the hell out of it. THEN that build spreads (through forums or ladder) and people whine IMBA until it gets patched OR people find a way to beat that with another exploitative strategy which they spread. Keep this going ten years and you get Brood War (www.teamliquid.net). Fighting games can become like this too: combo guides and moveset analyses led to the monster of a fighting game that was Super Smash Brothers melee (www.smashboards.com). Seeing as how Pokemon is a heavy strategy game, you'd think there would be an iteration of a metagame-shifting thread to keep things alive. Pokemon-Online's RBY may be imperfect but you have to admit that it HAS been drawing a lot of attention to just how good RBY was for a lot of the people that never tried it.
Through one of these threads we can keep a pulse on what current trends are, what outdated strategies were, and what new strategies can be born.
Things like this give as much as you put into them. Don't just list your six and their moves, put a tag on them and then ask what people think. Tell us your thought process behind them, what makes your team stand out, how your team should be played, what the counter builds would look like, what your plan As Bs and Cs are, what to do in situtations as common or unlikely as you can think of. I dunno. You'd think that with all of the knowledge there is in the heads of the veterans of these forums that there would be tons and tons of content that they could dream up but there just isn't really and I honestly think that that has a lot to do with why this community is so small.
I mean, you don't even have to make NEW teams, you can just look at championship winning teams or your favorite alternative styles and throw something together for everyone to at least have something to talk about. Valuable guides are about tried and true methods for how to win. I'd LOVE to be able to make a real guide about a team and how do use it and the tons of subtleties to making a team work but I know I'm far from qualified. I'll play a few hundred more games then maybe I'll give it a try
Here's to hoping this rant can get other people to help start get the ball rolling.
Just so you know, I've been playing Pokemon for ages just like you all but only started playing competitively two years ago? Put Red version on my cellphone and out of curiosity I was able to find t3h Icy's advanced Pokemon battling guide. Tried it out for a while on NBS and joined the forums cuz WaterWizard told me about em. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough there to keep me interested and ff two years and now we're here. Was kinda bored last week and tried things out again. I was sad, however, to find that it still was like an old guard hipster Pokemon den (not necessarily a bad thing) but the forum still doesn't have 200 members on it and I want to help try to change that. RBY is a LOT deeper than the luck + boost + sweep crap that you find in the newer gens but no one can see that but those that already understand it. A couple of quality guides might help change that.
I'm guessing that because of the "limited" number of viable Pokemon and movesets, people in this forum have shied away from having their teams analyzed anymore. There's a set list of Pokemon that can be used in a set list of ways to just win so why talk about it? Why not just "spice things up" by playing Little Cups, BL or UU? I dunno about that...
Given the pretty well-defined metagame of RBY you'd think that team analysis becomes more fun. Half of the fun is that you already KNOW what your enemy is going to do. Question is, now what? Do you go for one of the generic OU teams? Do you try to throw in a couple of UU Pokemon just to spice things up? Do you add in some Pokemon tailored to take advantage of our metagame through creative/gimmicky ways? I admit that I'm probably late to the party but then again, maybe it hasn't even started.
One of the mainstays of an RTS forum is the Build Order thread. Without build order threads, metagames stagnate and everything becomes about untilization of mechanics rather than use of timings and shortcuts. The only way for a game to evolve is for someone to find something to exploit and then abusing the hell out of it. THEN that build spreads (through forums or ladder) and people whine IMBA until it gets patched OR people find a way to beat that with another exploitative strategy which they spread. Keep this going ten years and you get Brood War (www.teamliquid.net). Fighting games can become like this too: combo guides and moveset analyses led to the monster of a fighting game that was Super Smash Brothers melee (www.smashboards.com). Seeing as how Pokemon is a heavy strategy game, you'd think there would be an iteration of a metagame-shifting thread to keep things alive. Pokemon-Online's RBY may be imperfect but you have to admit that it HAS been drawing a lot of attention to just how good RBY was for a lot of the people that never tried it.
Through one of these threads we can keep a pulse on what current trends are, what outdated strategies were, and what new strategies can be born.
Things like this give as much as you put into them. Don't just list your six and their moves, put a tag on them and then ask what people think. Tell us your thought process behind them, what makes your team stand out, how your team should be played, what the counter builds would look like, what your plan As Bs and Cs are, what to do in situtations as common or unlikely as you can think of. I dunno. You'd think that with all of the knowledge there is in the heads of the veterans of these forums that there would be tons and tons of content that they could dream up but there just isn't really and I honestly think that that has a lot to do with why this community is so small.
I mean, you don't even have to make NEW teams, you can just look at championship winning teams or your favorite alternative styles and throw something together for everyone to at least have something to talk about. Valuable guides are about tried and true methods for how to win. I'd LOVE to be able to make a real guide about a team and how do use it and the tons of subtleties to making a team work but I know I'm far from qualified. I'll play a few hundred more games then maybe I'll give it a try
Here's to hoping this rant can get other people to help start get the ball rolling.Just so you know, I've been playing Pokemon for ages just like you all but only started playing competitively two years ago? Put Red version on my cellphone and out of curiosity I was able to find t3h Icy's advanced Pokemon battling guide. Tried it out for a while on NBS and joined the forums cuz WaterWizard told me about em. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough there to keep me interested and ff two years and now we're here. Was kinda bored last week and tried things out again. I was sad, however, to find that it still was like an old guard hipster Pokemon den (not necessarily a bad thing) but the forum still doesn't have 200 members on it and I want to help try to change that. RBY is a LOT deeper than the luck + boost + sweep crap that you find in the newer gens but no one can see that but those that already understand it. A couple of quality guides might help change that.