Jolteon/Persian matchup comparisons
Jun 7, 2010 13:45:28 GMT -8
Post by GGFan on Jun 7, 2010 13:45:28 GMT -8
So the big debate here lately has been whether or not Jolteon should be OU. Since nobody is arguing that Persian isn't OU, I decided to compare the damage output of these Pokemon against every OU Pokemon. The purpose of this topic is to give players a better perspective of what Jolteon can do compared to its OU brethren.
vs Tauros: Not only does Thunderbolt do more damage than Slash, but Jolteon will also OHKO Tauros on average if Thunder crits.
vs Snorlax: Slash does more damage than Thunderbolt; however, the difference is negligible. The wildcard here is Thunder, which will always 2HKO if it crits once. Persian can also 2HKO with Slash and a crit Hyper Beam, but there is a small chance that Snorlax will survive.
vs Golem/Rhydon: Obviously, Persian is vastly superior here.
vs Gengar: Obviously, Jolteon is vastly superior here. Persian's only hope is to Mimic Psychic.
vs Slowbro: Slowbro has to get incredibly lucky to not get OHKOd by an eventual Thunderbolt crit. Persian, on the other hand, is pretty useless against Slowbro unless it's crippled. Even then, Thunderbolt does twice as much damage.
vs Lapras: Persian is terrible against Lapras.
vs Starmie: Both 2HKO, but Jolteon has the luxury of outspeeding every OU in the game. Also, Jolteon can OHKO thanks to a Thunderbolt crit.
vs Alakazam: Persian is a lot more useful here since it doesn't fear Reflect. Nonetheless, Jolteon isn't completely defenseless against Alakazam: it outspeeds it, and will always 2HKO with a crit Thunder. Likewise, it will OHKO with a crit Pin Missile + at least 4 hits.
vs Jynx: Slash will hit for twice as much damage, but Jynx is also known for carrying Counter. Meanwhile, Jolteon will always OHKO with a Pin Missile crit + 4 hits, or with one Thunderbolt crit.
vs Exeggutor: Slash outdamages 2 Pin Missile hits by 40-50 damage. If Pin Missile hits more than that, however, then it will always hit for more damage. And as everybody knows by now, Pin Missile always OHKOs with a crit + 4 hits.
vs Zapdos: Slash will outdamage Thunderbolt by a bit, and Zapdos is also known for carrying Light Screen. But while Persian is more pertinent in terms of damage output, Jolteon resists both Thunderbolt and Drill Peck.
vs Chansey: Counter is popular on Chansey, and this applies to both Slash and Double Kick. And as for the latter, it needs to crit twice in a row to kill Chansey. Jolteon's notable advantages include being able to paralyze it and being able to survive 4 Ice Beams. Ultimately, Persian is better at dealing with Chansey.
Overall, I don't really think one should be ahead of the other. The general consensus seems to be that Jolteon is arguably the best BL Pokemon, too, so the only argument left is just how useful Jolteon really is in OU. Hopefully this topic will provide some easy-access insight for those who are still contemplating this issue.
vs Tauros: Not only does Thunderbolt do more damage than Slash, but Jolteon will also OHKO Tauros on average if Thunder crits.
vs Snorlax: Slash does more damage than Thunderbolt; however, the difference is negligible. The wildcard here is Thunder, which will always 2HKO if it crits once. Persian can also 2HKO with Slash and a crit Hyper Beam, but there is a small chance that Snorlax will survive.
vs Golem/Rhydon: Obviously, Persian is vastly superior here.
vs Gengar: Obviously, Jolteon is vastly superior here. Persian's only hope is to Mimic Psychic.
vs Slowbro: Slowbro has to get incredibly lucky to not get OHKOd by an eventual Thunderbolt crit. Persian, on the other hand, is pretty useless against Slowbro unless it's crippled. Even then, Thunderbolt does twice as much damage.
vs Lapras: Persian is terrible against Lapras.
vs Starmie: Both 2HKO, but Jolteon has the luxury of outspeeding every OU in the game. Also, Jolteon can OHKO thanks to a Thunderbolt crit.
vs Alakazam: Persian is a lot more useful here since it doesn't fear Reflect. Nonetheless, Jolteon isn't completely defenseless against Alakazam: it outspeeds it, and will always 2HKO with a crit Thunder. Likewise, it will OHKO with a crit Pin Missile + at least 4 hits.
vs Jynx: Slash will hit for twice as much damage, but Jynx is also known for carrying Counter. Meanwhile, Jolteon will always OHKO with a Pin Missile crit + 4 hits, or with one Thunderbolt crit.
vs Exeggutor: Slash outdamages 2 Pin Missile hits by 40-50 damage. If Pin Missile hits more than that, however, then it will always hit for more damage. And as everybody knows by now, Pin Missile always OHKOs with a crit + 4 hits.
vs Zapdos: Slash will outdamage Thunderbolt by a bit, and Zapdos is also known for carrying Light Screen. But while Persian is more pertinent in terms of damage output, Jolteon resists both Thunderbolt and Drill Peck.
vs Chansey: Counter is popular on Chansey, and this applies to both Slash and Double Kick. And as for the latter, it needs to crit twice in a row to kill Chansey. Jolteon's notable advantages include being able to paralyze it and being able to survive 4 Ice Beams. Ultimately, Persian is better at dealing with Chansey.
Overall, I don't really think one should be ahead of the other. The general consensus seems to be that Jolteon is arguably the best BL Pokemon, too, so the only argument left is just how useful Jolteon really is in OU. Hopefully this topic will provide some easy-access insight for those who are still contemplating this issue.
