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Post by Crystal_ on Jun 15, 2010 10:01:00 GMT -8
This only is true if you are talking abaut a ban tier. But the OU tier is not a ban tier. I am not saying to do with the tiers what I just want. I am proposing to do what has ALWAYS been done with the tiers, by every Pokemon competitive community.
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Post by Underboss on Jun 15, 2010 11:12:54 GMT -8
It's not that radical to just say that if you overpower a tier, then you shouldn't be placed in it. And overpowering a tier comes from the concept that OU, BL, UU, and NU are all competitive tiers. It would only change a few placements in all practicality, and Smogon player shouldn't be alarmed by it.
The difference between us and the older communities is that we are trying to make BL and NU legitimate and balanced metagames. I don't understand why other communities didn't do this, but most people in this community want to make them competitive and realize it wouldn't even be a big deal for them to be kept balanced.
So what if Poliwhirl is in UU and isn't used in the UU metagame? It's not that big a stretch. Most people don't want it in NU.
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Post by Crystal_ on Jun 16, 2010 10:39:08 GMT -8
Someone invented that way of tiering. That's it. And the usage is the system that have always been used, and continue being by all communities [except this one?].
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Post by posthuman on Jun 16, 2010 12:01:48 GMT -8
Alright. We need to discuss one thing at a time. We're arguing about the actual tier system to use, how Pokémon should be placed in each tier, the Pokémon that should go in each tier, etc. This needs to be organized better...by someone impartial (please don't make any new threads Underboss). Maybe I'll do it if I have time later.
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Post by Underboss on Jun 23, 2010 15:02:34 GMT -8
No need Posthuman, this is already a compromise I accept right here: rby2k10.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=td&action=display&thread=158See this list: rby2k10.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=td&action=display&thread=142&page=1Poliwhirl is UU, the community gets it. Poliwhirl is placed in UU because he is flat out Uber in NU. Simple as that. Just move on Crystal, Poliwhirl can't go anywhere else but UU in a 5 tier system. Thus, UU is the ban tier of NU. Just deal with it. I'm satisfied with the tier system as it exists now, and Crystal has his disputes recorded on the Disputed Placement list. I wish there would be more focus on the specifics on that list. Oh, and I won't create any more threads right now; I don't see the need. The official Zilch thread tier list is good as it is now.
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Post by Crystal_ on Jun 24, 2010 1:46:08 GMT -8
UU is just the tier that is above NU where stuff that is not used much in OU and does not centralize the UU tier is placed. NU is NOT the UU ban tier. What I suppose that you don't understand is that this is not a discussion abaut my and your opinions abaut what the UU tier is. UU is not a ban tier by definition, like Rattata is not Dragon-type by definition.
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