What would real RBY be like?

[Dre]

Basically, with no rules or clauses.

Naturally people will assume it'd just be a massive haxfest, but I think a lot of things that we ban are balanced out by other things we ban. For starters, no freeze clause is balanced by the fact that sleep will be more common due to a lack of sleep clause, and paralysis may be more popular due to wrap and OHKO moves. OHKO moves are probably also balanced out by evasion moves. You could say evasion moves are balanced out by moves like swift/haze/mist.

Then of course there is a the question of what pokemon would be used. There'd probably be a couple of mewtwos per team, but people may want sleepers, OHKOers etc.

[jorgen]

There was a no sleep clause tourney here way back when. Sleep errywhere, and Egg actually takes a hit cause he's so damn slow. Gengar and Jynx get top nods. Overall it's pretty silly to play without sleep clause.

[wasabi]

Yeah no sleep clause would be pretty silly. x3
and evasion makes the meta more heavily influenced by luck.

I've played with no sleep and it was pretty annoying getting slept by something faster than me and then watching it set up.
What do we have to break that? quick attack?

[lilith]

i think it'd be a bit of a rock paper scissors between mewtwo, gengar, and hypno / sing chansey, with like 3 gengars per team coz he still has an ok matchup against mewtwo. maybe jynx and eggy here or there coz they have a less-bad mewtwo matchup than gengar? but mewtwo can still cover both of them with fire blast so i think they'd be sorta meh. anyway i'd be curious to play some games if you want!

[t3h Icy]

We had a tournament with Sleep Clause off once, and it got stupid fast. We had to ban Parasect too.

Super fun though as a quick gimmick.

[Isa]

I beat Icy and Post without dropping a game. It was my first tournament too, so that was quite great of a start.

[Isa]

I beat Icy and Post without dropping a game. It was my first tournament too, so that was quite great of a start.

[magic9mushroom]

Apr 9, 2013 0:10:09 GMT -8 t3h Icy said:

We had a tournament with Sleep Clause off once, and it got stupid fast. We had to ban Parasect too.

Super fun though as a quick gimmick.

Spore/Substitute Parasect can at least be slept under cartridge mechanics, so why'd you have to ban it?

[Dre]

It's not as if sleepers can always sleep something on the switch either, because the slept pokemon may stay in and try to wake up, so there'd be mind-games going on there

Was the tourney no rules at all or just no sleep-clause? Because I could imagine fast double team users being a problem for sleepers, then there is also the issue of whether they want to stay in against faster OHKO move users too.

[Isa]

Strictly the same rules as usual bar the lack of sleep clause.

I ran the three standard sleepers, Zam, Tauros and Jolteon with good success.

[wasabi]

Apr 8, 2013 23:29:42 GMT -8 lilith said:

i think it'd be a bit of a rock paper scissors between mewtwo, gengar, and hypno / sing chansey, with like 3 gengars per team coz he still has an ok matchup against mewtwo. maybe jynx and eggy here or there coz they have a less-bad mewtwo matchup than gengar? but mewtwo can still cover both of them with fire blast so i think they'd be sorta meh. anyway i'd be curious to play some games if you want!

Yeah I'm up for it! Gonna have to cook up a team. When are you usually on?

[lilith]

Apr 9, 2013 12:02:06 GMT -8 wasabi said:

Apr 8, 2013 23:29:42 GMT -8 lilith said:

i think it'd be a bit of a rock paper scissors between mewtwo, gengar, and hypno / sing chansey, with like 3 gengars per team coz he still has an ok matchup against mewtwo. maybe jynx and eggy here or there coz they have a less-bad mewtwo matchup than gengar? but mewtwo can still cover both of them with fire blast so i think they'd be sorta meh. anyway i'd be curious to play some games if you want!

Yeah I'm up for it! Gonna have to cook up a team. When are you usually on?

it's usually a bit random