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Post by Agent Syrup on Aug 17, 2013 7:51:45 GMT -8
There is a lot of heated debate about this. Some people think its only considered the best because it came first, while other people don't even consider the new Pokémon to even be real Pokémon. So, are the first 151 Pokémon the best and all other stink? Are all equal? Or is it something in between? I'd like to know what you think.
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Post by Isa on Aug 17, 2013 8:19:19 GMT -8
...what is the judging criteria?
RBY is the generation I have the most fun playing (except when against Wrap). Gen 2 could have been good if it had more offensive potential, Gen 3 I am still exploring. Gen 4 and 5 introduced Stealth Rock and U-Turn, and those moves are just silly and make the game dumb.
RBY is the game series I was raised on. It has some nostalgic value. GSC had superior gameplay however - revisiting Kanto was amazing.
But again, I'm not sure how to answer your question as I'm not sure what replies you are looking for.
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Post by SharKing on Aug 17, 2013 8:35:50 GMT -8
The debate is so heated because it's based solely on opinion. Everyone has different opinions on all sorts of matters. Whatever generation being the "best" or "worst" is entirely subjective.
I will say that I'm quite fond of Gen. I, particularly since I grew up on those games.
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Post by jorgen on Aug 17, 2013 10:26:29 GMT -8
Gen 1 has the biggest nostalgia factor. I don't think you can say that what was added up through Gen 5 did anything but improve variety and gameplay, though, unless you want to just be a crotchety old man who hates kids these days. From a competitive standpoint, ADV probably got the best balance of breadth and depth - that is to say, there's plenty of teambuilding options, but they aren't numerous to the point where team matchup makes more of a difference than player skill in any given game. And if design is the main concern, I'd say that Gen 1 had just as many uninspired mons as any other gen (in Japan, Raticate is "Rat" and Moltres is "Fire", for starters).
If there's anything Gen 1 clearly did best, though, it was the rival. Silver was too nasty to take seriously, Gens 3 onward your rivals were actually your buds. Blue was actually kind of friendly, but he was childlike and pompous to make you hate him. Also, he's clearly a step ahead of you throughout the game, which makes you want to beat his ass even more, whereas you never get the feeling that the other rivals are quite at your level.
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Post by Agent Syrup on Aug 17, 2013 10:35:37 GMT -8
Oh... yeah... I should have specified that I'm looking at this from the view of the aesthetic design of each generation. Not gameplay or storyline... sorry about that.
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Post by Dre on Aug 17, 2013 19:19:52 GMT -8
Gen1 is mostly nostalgia. There is almost no reason for someone new to pokemon to play 1 over 5, unless they prefer more retro games or simplicity for some reason.
However, I do think 1 has the best rival, and 1 and 2 had the best villains (2 especially).
The other thing I really like about 1 that no one ever mentions is that pokemon of the same type had many similarities. Waters were normally slow and bulky. Psychics and electrics were fast frail specials. Grounds and rocks were physically orientated. Fires were the specials with higher attack stats. Grasses were the specials with status moves etc.
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Post by jorgen on Aug 17, 2013 21:00:20 GMT -8
The other thing I really like about 1 that no one ever mentions is that pokemon of the same type had many similarities. Waters were normally slow and bulky. Psychics and electrics were fast frail specials. Grounds and rocks were physically orientated. Fires were the specials with higher attack stats. Grasses were the specials with status moves etc. Nobody mentions it because this remains true up through Gen 5, for the most part. Obviously, there's exceptions, but exceptions to type tropes are present in RBY, too. |
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Post by Dre on Aug 17, 2013 22:45:32 GMT -8
I feel that the theme kind of gott crushed with physical/special move split. You now have physical psychic types etc.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like there are as many slow bulky psychics as there are fast frail ones. It is still a predominately special attacking type though.
In saying this, some types have stuck to the theme, things like ground/rock, fighting, dragon etc.
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Post by jorgen on Aug 18, 2013 6:13:15 GMT -8
To be honest, fast frail Psychics was never a universal theme or anything. Hypno, Exeggutor, and Slowbro all break that mold, and that's a large chunk of Psychic-types in RBY right there. Plus you have the Uber Psychics which are in no way weak defensively. Put together, that's over half the Psychic-types in RBY.
The presence of Physical Psychic-types later on in the series does change things up from RBY, but that's hardly a result of the Phys/Spc. split. Medicham and Metagross were RSE, after all. Plus, the best physical Psychic STAB is Zen Headbutt, which isn't used all that often, so the Psychic typing is not integral to their Physical attacking prowess. Thus, it's kinda difficult to mentally group these Pokemon as Psychic-types and not as their secondary typing.
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Post by Dre on Aug 18, 2013 19:10:23 GMT -8
Yeah that's true I guess. I guess things like slowbro and eggy didn't register in my head because I think of them as water and grass types first, and the ubers just eluded my mind completely.
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