GSC Huzzah!

[t3h Icy]

I added this since many of our players that are still around (new and old) also play GSC heavily, so you can use this section for discussing that generation.

Any tournaments, battle logs, etc can go here too, and preferably not in the RBY section. Perhaps if our community builds up, I'll make a full section for GSC, but for now, everything GSC-related goes in here.

Enjoy. ^_^

[WaterWizard]

C'est bien!

[Crystal_]

Hey, GSC stuff is always: I post sth, Borat replies. Where are all of you? =(

[KiNGskruffi]

Playing RBY :b

[t3h Icy]

This is the pinnacle of my GSC career: www.rby2k10.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bl&action=display&thread=334

[Crystal_]

You just needed a phazer and mantaining it alive. His team can't treaten you any way if this happens.

[LucasBM]

I suck in gsc.

In fact, I suck in RBY too, but I understand why I suck there. In GSC, I have no idea.

[Nerd]

I would have thought you would be good at GSC, Icy, since it's all stall.

[t3h Icy]

RBY isn't auto-stall. =P

Actually I have no idea how GSC works.

[Crystal_]

"I would have thought you would be good at GSC, Icy, since it's all stall."

You are outdated. The meta sucks now.

[Consumptus]

Perhaps Borat could post an explanation of GSC meta or a link to a website or something.

[borat]

Crystal getting lots of love on your smogon topic aren't you? For one, I don't think there's a meta anymore. And as far as banning explosion, that's far out of the question. Like g80 mentioned, it's absurd to ban something like Snorlax, banning explosion would just be idiotic. Might as well ban spikes. Might as well ban zapdos/raikou, exeggutor, suicune, miltank. Might as well just play UU then.

The game becomes more of a coin toss, but it doesn't really break the game. It makes the skill gap slightly smaller than I would have preferred, but that's to be expected with offensive teams.

As far as stall teams ago, I have no problem facing them. I love facing them. I have a far better chance against stalls than I ever would against explosion, or any offensive team really. If you know what you're doing with an offensive teams, beating your average joe using stalls is the easiest walk in the park ever. Playing people that know what they're doing (knows, not think they know) with stalls, which probably number around 10 or so people from what I've witnessed, is still interesting though.

And it's a absolute bitch to play stall vs stall, don't do it. This isn't RBY, you can't just "pray for CH or spc downs". If you're playing stall vs stall, turn off pp ups, then it becomes moderately interesting, and one's whose more adept should be pretty obvious. Drumlax rapes in stall vs stall matchups, since counter-attacks from stalls are pathetic, and that's drumlax's only real weak point.

Also, don't make a shitty stall, win a game or two, and all of a sudden think it's the entire generation. It makes you look like an idiot.

Rule of thumb:

If playing against someone clueless, use stall.
If playing against someone far than you are, use explosion.

[Nerd]

How is banning Snorlax from GSC any different than banning Salamence from DPP? You say Snorlax is 'good for the meta' but you have no conclusive evidence backing up that claim. It sounds like you're only opposed to the change because you will have to adapt your style to a changing metagame.

Stall teams are boring. Maybe you like playing 500 turn battles, but they're no fun for a lot of people (myself included). Hence, many players run offensive teams. Stall teams attempt to survive until your opponent runs out of PP or you bore them to death, then clean up.

I agree that banning explosion isn't a very good idea. Explosion is great for breaking stalls. Offensive teams may attempt to weaken the opponent's defense (sometimes with explosion) to the point where they can set up a sweeper and win the game, or just continually wear down the opponent on switch-ins until they die.

The average 'offensive' GSC team is built to cover all possible threats and is packed with powerful Pokemon that can wear down their counters with some successful predictions. Explosion just speeds up the game.

[Crystal_]

I would prefer the stall meta of the 00s rather than the current offensive meta. Explosion teams are just guessing: Cloyster's explosion = scissor; cloyster's surf = paper; steelix = rock. I prefer battles where there are different types of skill.

Also, I'd ban LKLax.

BTW Borat do you have something to do with Smogon's Forre, Nite and Vap sets (and probably more i haven't seen)?
Though I miss RestTalk Vap

[borat]

You say Snorlax is 'good for the meta' but you have no conclusive evidence backing up that claim. It sounds like you're only opposed to the change because you will have to adapt your style to a changing metagame.

Conclusive evidence is the following:

1. I have far more knowledge and experience than anyone who's ever dabbled with the generation.
2. As a result of #1, my theorymon is more accurate than well... even you playing it out with 500 other inferior players gathering "actual data".
3. It won't ever happen.

And whoa whoa whoa, before I address the rest of the nonsensicle bullshit you'll inevitably respond with, let's address this piece of "nonsensicle bullshit" first:

Sept 24, 2010 4:36:50 GMT -8 Nerd said:

Borat, I remember I played you a couple times (back when I played GSC), and wrecked you with UU teams, so maybe you should 'get better'.

This is a bold claim that needs to be backed with facts.

Here's a fact: I haven't played against a UU team since 2003-2004.

And I suggest you start learning a bit about the generation before spewing out generalizations that frankly, aren't that amusing. There's a pretty significant difference between "knowing and think you know", and my posts are a good place to start (albeit, I see you already have, there are 5 parts up now ). I'm not quite sure where you got the 500 turn thing from, but I don't even think I can make an offensive team last for 500 turns against a stall.

Crystal_: No, I don't deal with smogon. I think that's havoc's forte, but most of that hasn't been updated since 2005 or something. And a lot of it was written by pretty bad players (again, actually knowing vs thinking they know). Hazing Vaporeon is the definition of UU. Dragonite looks ok.

Also, many players recently run offensive teams because of... well, me.

This post is entirely arrogant, but also disgustingly true.

[Zilch]

Kind of makes me wish I cared about playing GSC OU, but I lack the knowledge to make anything beyond Skarmbliss-related stall teams. I'll play the occasional UU match every now and then, always cursing at Smeargle's existence, but that's pretty much it.

[Nerd]

Borat:
I would hardly call the opinion of one player 'conclusive evidence', and the fact that 'it won't ever happen' is irrelevant.

Nonsensical is spelled 'nonsensical'. I'm not quite sure you're using it right, though...

I don't see how my comment in a thread four months ago is relevant, but since you seem extremely butthurt about it, I will withdraw my claim. I'm sure you were having a bad day / were drunk / someone was impersonating you, so just forget the whole thing.

Regarding my 'not amusing' generalization where I stated that a lot of people find stalling boring: I don't have specific numbers, but using the example of myself you can see that there are players that find stalling boring and thus run offensive teams.

Regarding the number '500': That was intended as a hyperbole, though I can see where that might be misinterpreted since some GSC games DO last 500 turns. What I meant by '500 turn battles' was 'extremely long battles'.

[t3h Icy]

Ha, you guys.

I think what Nerd meant regarding UU was he used a UU team vs your OU; he likes to do that in RBY a lot.

Anyway, like you say about Smogon how they're outdated, as they focus on the newer/current generations, RBY is left behind too. GGFan went in the right direction having a place specifically for it, but it kind of died and he was always a bit infamous. That's part of the reason I made this place.

If you'd like, feel free to expand this site with GSC-only players, since there's not exactly a home anywhere for it. I could even run some GSC tournies, where about 95% of us would get slayed in. Are you retired or do you still play?

[borat]

Some didn't use it/never used it for the very reason that it was "boggy and standard", and sometimes boring. However, these were far and few in-between, and in battles that mattered, they almost always showed up with their best team (usually a stall). However, I turned that around in the past 2 years. Now offensive teams are used not because they're "funner" (albeit some do), but because they're actually effective now that people know how to use them. And by know how, I mean almost entirely net-teaming me. Hence, that's probably where you thought you were playing me. Also, as Crystal pointed out, to me, I don't even find Explosion teams fun. I almost find playing stalls more fun in this almost entirely offensive generation because the tables have completely turned.

I never mention "liking" a 500 turn battle, I only mention I like to play against stall teams. Also, if I were the one using a stall spikes team, you can bet it won't take me that long to get through someone unless they were hardcore stall as well.

@icy: I'm well aware what he meant. And I'm saying, I'd never accept an OU vs UU battle unless I'm the one using UU.

I'll play if it's significant or necessary or something. Or if I feel intrigued by the rules. Throwing out Snorlax, Zapdos, Raikou bans are a good place to start imo.

And like I mentioned, if you're being outclassed, Explosion is definitely the way to go. I feel like even the worst (by worst, I mean average) GSC players have a good 70/30, maybe even 60/40 shot against even the best players using an offensive team.

[Crystal_]

Yeah, I've never seen you in NB Borat.

[KiNGskruffi]

Peanuts? Anyone?