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Post by Underboss on May 14, 2010 0:29:27 GMT -8
Every Don or Underboss needs a Persian to pet and occasionally send into battle, wouldn't you agree? So I was thinking that Persian is really good as a secondary physical sweeper, but really needs things the fast things to be paralyzed first. So who would be a good partner with Persian; maybe Alakazam or possibly Zapdos?
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Post by t3h Icy on May 14, 2010 0:58:10 GMT -8
Your answer is in your previous topic.
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Post by Dexter on May 14, 2010 8:30:06 GMT -8
You absolutely need golem/rhydon with persian.
Persian hates three things: Starmie, Exeggutor, and Gengar. Golem/Rhydon OHKOs gengar obviously, and slowly chips away at exeggutor's health since most people love switching in eggy vs. ground types. Starmie is also a common switch in against golem/rhydon, and if you can get a body slam para on the switch persian would really appreciate that. Not only that, but if you're running screech on persian, rhydon(and I guess golem too) likes the defense drop if it lasts long enough to see the endgame. Not to mention the first thing anyone does against a persian is thunder wave, which means a free switch for your golem/rhydon
Other than that, snorlax and tauros have great synergy with screech if you use it. Zapdos is good to take out starmies/lapras too and can spread para. It can also dent golem into bubblebeam range with repeated drill pecks
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Post by Underboss on May 14, 2010 20:38:33 GMT -8
Okay, so how about a team of Gengar, Tauros, Chansey, Exeggutor, Persian, and Rhydon?
Or would that be too unbalanced somehow?
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Post by Crystal_ on May 15, 2010 3:25:42 GMT -8
I'd rather go with Zam/Starmie instead of Gar. You have both another sleeper and normal resistor.
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Post by WaterWizard on May 15, 2010 11:15:48 GMT -8
Gengar is good. He'll provide some great special sponging if your own Chansey loses the freeze war. Zapdos can also work for this team, if you keep him hidden until the very end.
Remember that if you use Starmie, you'll end up have constant Chansey switch-ins. Are you prepared for that? You'll want to make sure you own Chansey is paralyzed. Perhaps use Persian as para-bait, since she's a little less obvious than Tauros.
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Post by Crystal_ on May 15, 2010 13:26:40 GMT -8
Alakazam fares better against Chansey than Gengar.
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Post by WaterWizard on May 15, 2010 23:24:55 GMT -8
Alakazam doesn't kill Chansey in one turn like Gengar.
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Post by t3h Icy on May 15, 2010 23:30:57 GMT -8
Alakazam doesn't kill Chansey in one turn like Gengar. Max damage from Explosion is 604. |
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Post by Crystal_ on May 16, 2010 4:41:25 GMT -8
Begin turn #XX Player A withdrew Chansey Player A sent out Golem Player B's Gengar used Explosion! 23% damage! It's not very effective... Gengar fainted! Alakazam stalls Chansey with Recover (preventing freeze with your Chansey frozen), and if you want to explode on Chansey Exeggutor is much better. Underboss, test both anyway  |
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Post by Underboss on May 16, 2010 16:17:24 GMT -8
Well, I was using Zam/Tau/Chan/Egg/Per/Gol yesterday and one problem was that Egg is my only sleeper unless I make Chansey my backup sleeper. Should I give Chansey Sing? But now I really like using Reflect and/or Thunderwave on my Chansey so im not sure. Also, the thing I liked about Gengar is that he doesn't lose much usefulness when he's put to sleeper. So, if I know my opponent's gonna sleep me, who should I choose to allow to fall asleep? Golem maybe?
Or maybe I should get something paralyzed and use that as my sleep sponge?
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Post by Dexter on May 16, 2010 18:36:11 GMT -8
Well, I was using Zam/Tau/Chan/Egg/Per/Gol yesterday and one problem was that Egg is my only sleeper unless I make Chansey my backup sleeper. Should I give Chansey Sing? But now I really like using Reflect and/or Thunderwave on my Chansey so im not sure. Also, the thing I liked about Gengar is that he doesn't lose much usefulness when he's put to sleeper. So, if I know my opponent's gonna sleep me, who should I choose to allow to fall asleep? Golem maybe? Or maybe I should get something paralyzed and use that as my sleep sponge? Ack! Way to steal my exact team  Ah well, I guess that's how it goes in rby. You should use alakazam as sleep bait if you can. Definitely, if you can get chansey paralized first you should use her as a sleep sponge, but nobody is going to paralize something that works well as sleep bait anyway. I never really had too many problems using just eggy as a sleeper =\ |
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Post by Underboss on May 16, 2010 19:04:57 GMT -8
Well, im glad im not the only one trying this set. But really Tau/Chan/Egg are pretty much standard so every team comes down to 3 poke choices. So dex, what moveset would you suggest on Chansey? The standard Ice/Soft/Bolt/Wave set or something else? Maybe I between have Chan and Egg being my sleeper, or maybe both muhahaha beware.
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Post by Crystal_ on May 17, 2010 4:46:37 GMT -8
You don't need two sleepers. Just don't allow your opponent to sleep (or beat) your sleeper before you put something to sleep. Reflect and Sing are options that can be used on Chansey, but I think Sing isn't very important for you since you are not using stuff like Starmie that is better without Chanseys.
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Post by Underboss on May 17, 2010 10:41:59 GMT -8
So, I should wait till the end of the game to reveal my Persian then? After my Tauros has done it's job and fainted.
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Post by WaterWizard on Jun 7, 2010 22:09:55 GMT -8
Persian comes in to revenge kill a weakened Tauros. It's a guaranteed kill, because no one would switch out/in on Persian's Slash (of course, you do this once Gengar is dead). No other pokemon in OU can do this (Dugtrio can). Alakazam/Starmie revenge kills don't work as the foe can switch to Eggy/Chansey/Zam/Slowbro/Gengar/Starmie/Jynx and save Tauros for later.
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Post by Crystal_ on Jun 8, 2010 1:42:57 GMT -8
Persian can hold his own against Reflect Chansey though.
It is like Zapdos / Jolteon with Rhydon / Golem: Metagame evolution.
Gengar less used: Persioan more common -> Gengar more used: Persian les common ....
The facts that Gengar is usually a sleep bait and that a bad-predicted explosion kills it should help Persian.
Actually his real problems are that he loses to most standards 1on1 and paralisis destroys it.
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Post by Underboss on Jun 8, 2010 2:09:39 GMT -8
Yeah, but his speed and reliable power are huge assets at the end of the game IMO. Usually a good game for me with end with a Tauros v Tauros battle. Either I kill their Tauros or it kills mine but either way I finish it off with a fresh Persian that then takes care of the rest of their team, which is hopefully mostly paralyzed.
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Ah well, I guess that's how it goes in rby. You should use alakazam as sleep bait if you can. Definitely, if you can get chansey paralized first you should use her as a sleep sponge, but nobody is going to paralize something that works well as sleep bait anyway. I never really had too many problems using just eggy as a sleeper =\