BL vs OU Team Rate

[Phillie]

This an BL Team rate which has the purpose to beat an OU team. The attack sets are basic, some fourth moves aren't filled in yet, those attacks are quite filler so I'm unsure about them. The real problem in this team is: there is no 6th Pokémon. Here are the teammembers listed, at the end there is some theory about the lest pokémon.

1. Hypno
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave
- Hypnosis
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2. Cloyster (5)
- Blizzard
- Hyper Beam
- Explosion
- Double Edge

3. Dodrio (4)
- Drill Peck
- Body Slam
- Hyper Beam
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4. Dugtrio (5)
- Earthquake
- Slash
- Rock Slide
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5. Raichu (4)
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Surf
- Body Slam / Submission

6. ?

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First things first: you see my team has 3 pokémon who are weak to the boltbeam combination. This may cause problems, so I think my last pokémon needs to be quite resistant to boltbeamers.

A smaller problem: only one sleeper, he uses Hypnosis, and he is my lead.

But there is another major problem: I listed all of the OU pokémon and tried to find counters to it, from the pokémon I have in my team. Most of them are countered by two of my pokémon, but some aren't.

Here's the list, in spoilers the ones who already have two counters, below the ones who only have one counter. You will notice some names are between brackets, those Pokémon can seriously hurt the opponent, but won't be able to switch in safely.

Counters to:

SPOILER: Click to show

Alakazam = Dodrio, Dugtrio,
Eggy = Dodrio, Cloyster,
Gengar = Dugtrio, Dodrio,
Golem/Rhydon = Cloyster, Hypno, (Raichu)
Articuno = Raichu, Cloyster,

Jolteon = Dugtrio,
Chansey = Dugtrio, (Dodrio)
Zapdos = Raichu, (Dugtrio)
Starmie = Raichu, (Cloyster),
Lapras = Raichu,
Snorlax = Cloyster,
Tauros/Persian = Cloyster,

As you can see: all of the pokémon I can't counter double, have electric or ice attacks. There are some possibilities like Kangaskan, but they have real low Special so they still are weak to Boltbeam. The only ones who seem to be able to deal these guys are Magneton, Fire-types and Clefable. But these are just too weak in my opinion.

Also note that if Raichu learns Submission, the normals would have another half counter, so the waters and electrics are more of a problem.


So my question: would another boltbeam weakness be possible to fill up this team with something like Venusaur (another sleeper), or do you think of an more or less Boltbeam-resistant who can join the team?

[t3h Icy]

I'm just going to say that specific-countering is common among newer players. Your team looks pretty good, but you won't be ready for BL vs OU.

Remember that you're not the one that decides which Pokemon the opponent uses, unless you can force them to by putting them in bad situations.

[Nerd]

You have very little understanding of RBY, so just play OU vs OU for now.

[Consumptus]

Dodrio, Dugtrio countering Alakazam is just silly. The only chance of bringing in one of these pokes against Zam is if you're paralyzed him with Hypno already and he's recovering, or a T-wave to Dugtrio.
Otherwise, Zam will just hit them for over 50% of their health.
Eggy is no joke either with 348 Special, 20 short of Alakazam. Those Psychics hurt terribly.

I can't say I have a lot of experience with BL vs OU teams, but don't try and stall or "counter" their pokemon. You have to keep your offense going.

[Zilch]

Agreed. In my BL vs. OU experience, BL teams win when they keep the offense going and get a few lucky breaks. They're got nowhere near the staying power of OUs (well, not counting fragile stuff like Jynx and Persian), but they can still hit hard. The OU team user slacking off and not playing hard, which seems to eerily happen a lot, can help the BL team out too.

Hypno is all but essential to soak up Psychic, so definitely use him. Dugtrio, Dodrio and Cloyster are all also highly recommended. Just build a strong, offensive team (preferably with some paralyzers and a sleeper, Venusaur perhaps) and you should be able to make a good game out of it.

[WaterWizard]

Hypno can't beat the whole team single-handedly You'll need more paralysis support if you have any hopes of winning. I suggest Kadabra as your 6th.

I also suggest trying 3 BLs with 3 OUs, or something, if you're that intent on using BLs. You're probably not prepared to beat an OU team with 6 BLs yet.

Your only hope is to paralyze all of the enemy pokes and then sweep with Dodrio. Dugtrio can try to luckoff the remaining pokes. Cloyster will blow up on Chansey/Starmie/Zam.

Also, Raichu's Submission won't "counter" the normals. Snorlax and Tauros still beat her, and you'll be lucky if you go one-for-one with Chansey (even if you kill her, you're guaranteed to be revenge killed). Your Raichu will probably just Body Slam Exeggutor.

[Phillie]

Dodrio, Dugtrio countering Alakazam is just silly.

The idea of this was bringing Dugtrio in when Zam was using T-W (however if you think if it, it indeed was stupid because I don't have anyone who needs to be paralyzed), or to sent out an trio when a pokémon fainted, though the outswitching would be quite annoying.

I also suggest trying 3 BLs with 3 OUs, or something, if you're that intent on using BLs. You're probably not prepared to beat an OU team with 6 BLs yet

I'll do that. The thing is I have 6 OU pokémon on my cartridge who are level 100, so I want to know some BL/UU pokémon to train.

You have very little understanding of RBY, so just play OU vs OU for now.

That's true, and when I can run Netbattle, I certainly will play OU vs OU. The only things I know about the RBY metagame for now, are the things I read.


(And I want to excuse myself for spamming this forum with some messages the last few days)

[WaterWizard]

I didn't notice any spam. Activity is good

Oh, so this is for in-game? Then sure, BLs all around.

Dugtrio and (especially) Dodrio will KO Zam all day; you just need Hypno to paralyze him first, and then get them in safely.

[Phillie]

I didn't notice any spam. Activity is good

Yeah, but being quite dumb isn't Activity is only good when you can contribute something, which I don't for the moment.

And yes this should be for in-game, but with the purpose to win real link battles if anyone should come up with the idea (to be sure you don't think I want a team to beat the game, because all you need to do that is a Butterfree and some patience).

[subsmoke]

Yo don't be such a stiff. We're not like that here. Anyways I would lead with dugtrio. Dugtrio is the only one in bl that can threaten gengar. If you start with hypno then you gotta take a hypnosis from gengar first and hope it misses. Most people would switch exeggutor on your dugtrio so you can switch to hypno or a sleep powderer on the first turn.

[WaterWizard]

Good advice from Subsmoke. If you lead Dugtrio, you can lead with Sand-Attack as it hits Gengar and Exeggutor effectively. Then EQ or switch to Hypno. And I'd forgo using Hypnosis with Hypno. Just Thunder-Wave Gengar and you should take him down no problem.