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Post by WaterWizard on Mar 7, 2011 16:03:50 GMT -8
 Please disregard my shift from 3rd person plural to 3rd person singular. These are a few comparisons. There are contrasts. |
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Post by posthuman on Mar 7, 2011 18:44:42 GMT -8
It's like they're the same pokemon.
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Post by t3h Icy on Mar 7, 2011 18:52:42 GMT -8
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Post by WaterWizard on Mar 7, 2011 19:38:28 GMT -8
lol very impressive, Eric!
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Post by Crystal_ on Mar 8, 2011 3:33:44 GMT -8
 Some of their roles are the same, others just are not. It's like comparing Starmie with Lapras ; Egg with Venusaur/Victreebel. Gengar usually takes advantage from leading with it vs Egg/Jynx, providing a 70% chance to start the game 6 vs 5 in your favour ,while Golem/Rhydon just hits hard while Gengar actually can't outside of explosion (though Golem/Rhydon still needs stuff paralysed to do relevant damage). And, about explosion, Golem's is more powerful than Gengar's, but unlike Gengar, Golem will be unable to explode if less than ≈ 40% with no para suport (or do anything actually). Golem can sweep with para support, Gengar actually can't, as it doesn't do enough damage to almost anything outside of explosion; and this has always been his problem. Gengar advantages are 3 (not strictly over Golem, but its good pints): Taking advantage from leading, blocking explosions and exploding. In a meta were only standard attacking moves (aka tbolt, body slam, psychic, blizzard, eq etc) where allowed Gengar wouldn't probably have been even top 25. Chansey / Zam recovers like np; egg takes 25% (providing you have NS); Golem/Rhydon is only 4/5HKOed if you lack MD, and, with it, you still lose 1 on 1 more often than not. Snorlax is only 4HKOed on average by tbolt, while 2HKOing back. Same for Tauros. Jolteon beats Gengar taking pitiful damage each turn outside of NS/Psy. Hypno destroys. Jynx wins. Psychic Starmie wins 1 on 1. Zapdos wins. Etc. As a lead you take advantage vs egg/jynx leads. Against Zam/Star you don't. Hence, this depends on popularity. In RBY2K10 you have Zam/Gar/Star leads usually; outside, you have Eggs and some Jynxs or Gars. Then you have exploding and taking explosions. That's prediction. If you predict correctly Gengar has been better, if you don't predict correctly, it has done almost nothing, because it has a hard time doing something with unstabed tbolts to the speciall walls that abound rby. However, prediction. But prediction is not yours. It's 50/50 if both players are equally good. You can MD Golem and boom on Zam, but you can do vice versa as well. How good are you at predicting? The answer is how good Gengar is imo, because Gengar utterly relies on prediction unlike Tauros/Zam/Snorlax etc. This, and the adv/disadv of using it as the lead you took. Imo, Gengar is probably around 7-9th, because im getting used to play in a egg lead environment. And does a good job at making things difficult to Lapras. However, against rby2k10 people where Zam leads are everywhere and Lap doesn't exist, well, it's around 12-15th imo. Golem/Rhydon is a great offensive / defensive pokemon for para support teams (aka standard right?). However if para didn't exist, Golem would have been around 12-15th too, and Rhydon probably even worse. |
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Post by Nitro on Mar 8, 2011 23:39:29 GMT -8
The biggest difference between them being left out is that golem/rhydon take hyper beams and punish off of them. Gengar doesn't make you worry about hyper beaming the same way.
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Post by posthuman on Mar 9, 2011 0:34:06 GMT -8
Okay they're obviously different. I don't think this thread was serious; the roles of Gengar and Golem just overlap a bit.
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Post by Consumptus on Mar 12, 2011 18:15:10 GMT -8
I didn't think this thread was serious either...
It must be all the analysis that we've been filling gen discussion with...
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Post by garrinred on Mar 12, 2011 22:47:55 GMT -8
Golem can punish hyper beams like it's nobody's business. Eating a Tauros hyper beam and then blowing up in its face is very very satsifying. It's also great fun to sweep with it once the opposing team is paralyzed enough. A throrough Golem sweep is nice indeed. I think Golem's just a satisfying pokemon overall.
Gengar, on the other hand, is more fun to bring in against explosions than hyper beams. It's a psychological attack on your opponent to make him watch his explosion do absolutely NOTHING (extra fun with a Snorlax Selfdestruct). This is particularly fun to do with sleeping or frozen gegnars. Gar also does a nice job of fighting off those annoying Chanseys, espcially after the opposing Eggy is dead. He can threaten sleep and/or explosion, doesn't care much about ice beams or t-bolts, and if you can really predict well(like Crystal was saying) you can catch an incoming Golem or Rhydon with MD.
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