Yay people, okay, now what?

[t3h Icy]

I think I might start doing this monthly. =P

So we've gotten a few new people, but to no surprise, our major lack of activity didn't keep anyone, except our two newest.

Ultimately when I made this place, I just wanted to run a tournament for RBY since Smogon runs them horribly (granted, at least they get finished XD), and my proposal to run one was rejected. Afterward, our site's main goals were to push what was left of the RBY metagame. Though it was practically finished for years, it never fully developed to what we've made it as GSC came out shortly after and all the conveniences of today didn't exist back then. Even what we've done has made a very insignificant difference, but the fact that there is some difference means we've been accomplishing something. n_n

Due to the enthusiasm of many of our members, we kinda reached that WAY faster than I had thought, and we've been left with nothing really new to do here for a long time. Fortunately come the arrival of new simulators for RBY, we can rejuvenate interest through the sheer amount of new players, and also our site's project that we've named RBYPlus.

Anywho, I can't blame anyone that doesn't stick, and I can't really help it much myself currently, since I can't use Netbattle (lol). Hopefully our regulars will help train and have fun with our newer members. I'll be starting the November tournament later this month (if at all) since we're still behind. XD I think it's time for a "Neapolitan" tournament. =)

Also if I have some expendable free time, I'll do a few things and ideas with Project RBYPlus, and perhaps make it public once everything is organized. Essentially, we're planning on changing the stats, types and movesets of all Pokemon, and revamp a lot of the moves to create a much more balanced game, which will still feel like RBY, but focuses a lot more on team-building, similar to current generations. Since no simulators can support this at the moment, everything is basically just written down, but hopefully we can make it real soon. ^_^

Only our staff have worked on it (Posthuman, Zilch, WaterWizard, Harrison and myself), but I'll allow everyone to give it some input later in November if I can finish a few organizational things with it.

Hopefully we can finish up the September and October tournaments before 2011. =P I've dropped out of the LC tournament since it's a hassle for me at the moment to play, but I'll be staying in the OU one at least for awhile longer since it's more of a major tournament, and I'd love to kick GGFan's butt again. <3

[Crystal_]

Essentially, we're planning on changing the stats, types and movesets of all Pokemon, and revamp a lot of the moves to create a much more balanced game, which will still feel like RBY, but focuses a lot more on team-building, similar to current generations. Since no simulators can support this at the moment, everything is basically just written down, but hopefully we can make it real soon. ^_^

o.0 OMG
You can NOT do whatever you want with the metagame. Can you imagine what will happen if every community created a new metagame?, but not just a new metagame; come on, you are changing everything because you just say, hey, why not changing all the rules that have been used since 1995 in-game and competitively?

Be calm pls, Nidoking has always had 92 Base Attack and access to Thunder; like MTG has always been played with 7 cards at the beggining of the macth; not 10, because for that expansion using 10 cards makes the game better/more balanced/more interesting/whatever.

focuses a lot more on team-building

idk why you say that current rby is not focused on team building. You can make different teams, with different playstyles, or, at least, I think I can do.

Since no simulators can support this at the moment

Unless the RBY2K10 community creates a sim I dont believe that a sim that heeds (y)our whims will be made. Even less likely if we are talking about something not concerned to DPP / BW (5 gen).


This is all I have to say

[t3h Icy]

looooooooooool

It's not being made to replaced RBY, only as something bright, new and fun.

Also team building in RBY is a lot more limited than what it could be. Instead of 6 of 81, we have Tauros, Chansey (in most cases) and then 4 of about a dozen more. Expanding this can make battling much more interesting and more vibrant.

Also, we're fairly certain that come Pokemon Online or the Shoddy/Pokemon Laboratory, this will be very possible.

Likely, we'll have a second server running, one for RBY and one for this, or if we're lucky, we can have both running in the same server.

Chill out dude.

[Aether Nexus]

Okay, so I'm confused. We're going to be having a new RBY self-created metagame with Pokemon with new stats? Or are we doing some kind of RBY CAP sort of thing now? And these are quite long term goals; I think we should stick to short term goals for now, until PO, etc., makes older gen battling possible (if it will happen).

Also, like mentioned before, this site needs something that says "Hello, new user, we are much different than any other RBY related website" when it comes to new users. Yes, we're heavily involved in RBY, but what else? We have guides, they post questions we give our best answers, etc., but other sites can do this too. We need something that separates us from them so that way they can come to us.

~ Aether Nexus

[subsmoke]

Hey. Yeah I know I said I was gonna do that neapolitan tourney and it's been a long time. I get lazy sometimes I was to start a chat about what everyone thinks the rules should be for this and if any pokemon should be banned since a few people suggested Tauros and Chansey might be too powerful. I'll start it in a week or so I guess.

[Crystal_]

It's not being made to replaced RBY, only as something bright, new and fun.

This will probably growth to a point where it will overtake RBY by the people that like it, because it is "fun" and RBY is "boring". If we are six playing RBY and three like the new metagame, well, you know.
And now, don't answer that this new game is not going to be supposed to be the "preferred" of the two metas for you, because otherwise you don't do that and hadn't said stuff that directly or indirectly intimates "I don't like or I'm tired of RBY".

This is "rebelling" against RBY because of personal preferences and comfort. You can play a meta, you don't remake it. Remakes and creations are done by Nintendo who have still done too much, and the too much will be turned into "a ridiculous amount of too much" soon (or already).

Sorry if I'm being too strict but I have to do it; even knowing that this goes nowhere.

[posthuman]

It's just an experimental mod. Anyway, don't go crazy over it until it appears to actually be possible.

[t3h Icy]

Nov 2, 2010 6:58:09 GMT -8 Crystal_ said:

This will probably growth to a point where it will overtake RBY by the people that like it, because it is "fun" and RBY is "boring". If we are six playing RBY and three like the new metagame, well, you know.
And now, don't answer that this new game is not going to be supposed to be the "preferred" of the two metas for you, because otherwise you don't do that and hadn't said stuff that directly or indirectly intimates "I don't like or I'm tired of RBY".

This is "rebelling" against RBY because of personal preferences and comfort. You can play a meta, you don't remake it. Remakes and creations are done by Nintendo who have still done too much, and the too much will be turned into "a ridiculous amount of too much".

Sorry if I'm being too strict but I have to do it; even knowing that this goes nowhere.

But it'll be fun. =)

Also as Posthuman said, chill out until some work has been done. To be honest, I think this idea is unique (right?) since no other communitities/people have tried this before, even though it's available for later generations.

Although I'm certain that if this does get going, people are bound to copy us, but that's their fault if they decide to make a mess through creating tons of modifications to the generations. Plus, our's will be better. =D

[Crystal_]

But it'll be fun

I know, and this is a problem.

I think this idea is unique (right?) since no other communitities/people have tried this before

For obvious reasons. This even support my thesis.

Although I'm certain that if this does get going, people are bound to copy us, but that's their fault if they decide to make a mess through creating tons of modifications to the generations.

So, even though you are doing the same as them, for them it is a fault, and for you it is not?; they have the fault of doing modifications and you can do them whenever you want?

[t3h Icy]

Fun wouldn't be a problem. D:

The point is that in that event that we do create a project such as what we have planned, likely a bunch of kids will want to do the same and create faulty, crappier ones.

By all means, you don't have to play if you're not interested Crystal.

[Crystal_]

Fun wouldn't be a problem. D:

Yes, mostly because it implies the next paragrafh.

The point is that in that event that we do create a project such as what we have planned, likely a bunch of kids will want to do the same and create faulty, crappier ones.

Yes, maybe even myself even one day i fell bored. But the thing is that who start the chain are you, and the precursor of the "crappy ones" as well.

By all means, you don't have to play if you're not interested Crystal.

The problem is that I don't want to see how the number of RBY players decreases even more as a result of a new meta. Smogon can afford to start the CAP project because there are ∞ DPPT players. Turn the symbol 90º and you get the number of RBY players. Pretty much. If you are a RBY player, try to realise that this is bad for RBY; at least don't try to overtake RBY (standard RBY).

[WaterWizard]

Crystal,

RBY Plus is something Icy and I came up with as a way to create new interest in RBY by making it more balanced. We want it to be a community project.

Things to remember:

1) It will NOT replace the standard metagame. It has different rules, type interactions, stats, etc.
2) It will NOT threaten our legitimacy as a RBY community. As stated above, it is a completely alternative metagame (you should appreciate this, as you have suggested alternate metagames in the past). There is no threat of "everyone making another metagame" as we constitute about 75% of active RBY trainers.
3) This project can only HELP the RBY community by increasing interest/exposure.


RBY Plus is more about team building because there are so many more options now. Every type is viable, every pokemon has a purpose/niche. We've emphasized each individuality in order to fully realize the potential of each pokemon. The essence of RBY Plus is to be able to use ANY of the fully evolved pokemon with confidence. We're boosted the stats/movepools/types of many pokemon (and even nerfed the ubers so they can be used) to create a more balanced metagame.

We'll have to do a lot of beta testing before it's released.

Icy and I really think this will a huge success. It allows trainers to play with their old RBY favorites without worrying about viability.

When we release the RBY Plus modifications/stats, etc, you'll understand more. It really is exciting. I think it will be the coolest thing pokemon's seen in a decade!

Just calm down and give it some time. Feel free to contact me with any questions, as I know Icy is uber busy with university stuff right now.

WW

[t3h Icy]

Nov 2, 2010 11:52:59 GMT -8 Crystal_ said:

Yes, maybe even myself even one day i fell bored. But the thing is that who start the chain are you, and the precursor of the "crappy ones" as well.

Lol, that's not what I meant. What I'm saying is that if the idea turns out really well, there's bound to be copycats, and likely won't be as well thought out.

Nov 2, 2010 11:52:59 GMT -8 Crystal_ said:

The problem is that I don't want to see how the number of RBY players decreases even more as a result of a new meta. Smogon can afford to start the CAP project because there are ∞ DPPT players. Turn the symbol 90º and you get the number of RBY players. Pretty much. If you are a RBY player, try to realise that this is bad for RBY; at least don't try to overtake RBY (standard RBY).

Again, it's not meant to replace RBY. Besides, we're the only serious RBY players for the most part, and I believe most of the people here would like to try it out. Smogon, like you said has does CAP projects and have run servers specifically with those Pokemon around. Our idea is to not create "new" Pokemon, but completely edit and revamp everything (though I suppose that's still "new").

Regardless, we'll have to see if 1) we can actually get this in action and 2) if it catches on.

Anyway, I'll try to finish some of the organization and I'll make it a public project, hopefully sometime later this month.

[Crystal_]

Ok, i don't care if this does not affect RBY [ou]. The problem is that the improvements may make some people completely forgot about rby in favour of the new meta. And this wont be good for rby. idk. Sry for everything.
EOD

[t3h Icy]

Well, to update my post, I'm able to play again so I'll be taking in any new players that want to get better.

I'll also try to get RBYPlus open by the end of this weekend. Smash does have MLG though so I might be a bit distracted. =P