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Post by muhpim on May 8, 2011 1:17:14 GMT -8
Amnesialax standard
Amnesia, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Rest
My favourite Amnesialax. Ice Beam and Thunderbolt can inflict good damages to every Pokemon.
The only Pokemon who can really stall you is Chansey. You can replace Thunderbolt with Body Slam, but in this case you could have many problems with Ice and Water types. Anyway, you can beat Chansey without Body Slam, although it is long. Body Slam is useful for paralysis and low Defense Pokemon, but i think Thunderbolt is more useful.
Amnesialax can be awesome, but he has many problems with Physicals, because his speed is horrible and he is tricky to set up.
Matchups :
I write on the first line the damages inflicted by Lax to the opponent, on the second line the damages inflicted by the opponent to Lax.
Alakazam : TB 228 - (19~22%), TB 456 - (37~44%), TB 684 - (56~66%), TB 912 - (74~87%)
Psychic 228 : 22~26%, Psychic 456 : 11~13%, Psychic 684 : 7~9%, Psychic 912 : 6~7%
It is not an easy matchup, but you can win, especially if Zam is paralysed or if you have already used Amnesia. Against Zam you should use 3 Amnesia, and you should often use Rest (and you should pray). However, your opponent can switch to Tauros or Persian if he predicted a Rest. If you want to switch into Zam, try to switch into Recover. Switching into Psychic is a bit dangerous, but possible.
Articuno : TB 228 - (24~28%), TB 456 - (47~55%), TB 684 - (70~83%), TB 912 - (93~100%)
Blizzard 228 : 27~32%, Blizzard 456 : 14~16%, Blizzard 684 : 9~11%, Blizzard 912 : 7~8%
Lax wins usually, because of Thunderbolt (although CH are dangerous), but it is not really safe to switch into Blizzard. Try to switch into Reflect if it is possible.
Chansey : TB 228 - (7~9%), TB 456 - (14~17%), TB 684 (22~26%), TB 912 - (29~34%)
Ice Beam 228 : 13~15%, Ice Beam 456 : 7~8%, Ice Beam 684 : 4~5%, Ice Beam 912 : 3~4%
A stall war... Usually you win because you hit ~31% and Chan hits you ~3%. Though Chansey may be dangerous because he can freeze you.
Cloyster : TB 228 - (55~65%), TB 456 - (100%)
Blizzard 228 : 21~25%, Blizzard 456 : 11~13%, Blizzard 684 : 7~9%, Blizzard 912 : 6%, Hyper Beam : 26~31%, Explosion : 59~69 %
You win easily, but Explosion may be dangerous ; so, Cloyster can force you to switch.
Dragonite : IB 228 - (55~65%), IB 456 - (100%)
Wrap : 6~20% (without CH), Blizzard 228 : 16~18%, Blizzard 456 : 8~9%, Blizzard 684 : 5~6%, Blizzard 912 : 4~5%, Hyper Beam : 33~39%
If Dragonite uses Wrap, he can force you to switch. If he doesn't, you win obviously.
Exeggutor : IB 228 - (35~41%), IB 456 - (70~82%), IB 684 - (100%)
Psychic 228 : 21~24%, Psychic 456 : 11~12%, Psychic 684 : 7~8%, Psychic 912 : 5~7%, Explosion : 59~69%
You could think "Egg has Ice weakness, so i win easily". In fact, you don't.
You can hit Egg very well, but Explosion is really a problem. Avoid the "Psychic >> Explosion >> Revenge kill" is hard. That forces you to switch, and the Amnesia boost is lost.
Gengar : TB 228 - (20~23%), TB 456 - (39~46%), TB 684 - (59~69%), TB 912 (77~91%)
Psychic 228 : 15~17%, Psychic 456 : 7~9%, Psychic 684 : 5~6%, Psychic 912 : 4~5%, Explosion : 47~55%
Lax wins, but watch out ! Explosion is still there.
Golem : IB 228 - (38~45%), IB 456 - (76~89%), IB 684 - (100%)
Earthquake : 29~34%, Explosion : 65~76%
Golem is a threat : he hits quite hard and he has Explosion. He can often 2HKO you (EQ + Explosion). If you have already used Amnesia two times, you can OHKO him, so Golem is hard to switch into Lax, but Lax is hard to switch into Golem too. And if Golem switches into when you Rest, you are dead.
Jynx : TB 228 - (16~19%), TB 456 - (33~38%), TB 684 - (49~57%), TB 912 - (65~76%)
Blizzard 228 : 23~27%, Blizzard 456 : 11~14%, Blizzard 684 : 8~9%, Blizzard 912 : 6~7%
Jynx can't heal, so you win (unless there is freeze, of course). If Jynx is not paralysed, switching into is not totally safe (because of a possible CH), but it is still easy.
Lapras : TB 228 - (24~28%), TB 456 - (47~55%), TB 684 - (70~83%), TB 912 - (93~100%)
Blizzard 228 : 23~27%, Blizzard 456 : 11~14%, Blizzard 684 : 8~9%, Blizzard 912 : 6~7% , Body Slam : 14~16%
Good matchup ! You must win.
Persian : TB 228 - (21~24%), TB 456 - (41~48%), TB 684 - (61~72%), TB 912 - (82~96%)
Slash : 30~35%, Hyper Beam : 32~38%, Bubble Beam : 7~8%
Usually Persian wins. Slash can 3HKO, especially if you took a Bubble Beam on the switch, and Persian is faster. Even if Persian is paralysed, you can still lose. However Persian can't really switch into Lax if you have already used Amnesia (unless the opponents predicts a Rest).
Rhydon : IB 228 - (41~48%), IB 456 (80~94%), IB - 684 (100%)
Earthquake : 32~38%
You can 3HKO Rhydon and Rhydon can 3HKO you, though Rhydon is faster : so he wins (unless you had already used Amnesia).
Slowbro : TB 228 - (31~37%), TB 456 - (62~, 73%), TB - 684 (92~100%), TB - 912 (100%)
Surf 228 : 16~19%, Surf 456 : 8~10%, Surf 684 : 6~7%, Surf 912 : 4~5%
You win quite easily, because of Thunderbolt. You can switch into Bro quite safely, unless he have already used two Amnesia. If he have, you should switch into a Rest.
Snorlax : TB 228 - (10~11%), TB 456 - (19~22%), TB 684 - (28~33%), TB 912 - (38~44%)
Body Slam : 25~29%, Hyper Beam : 43~51%, Selfdestruct : 75~88%
Standard Snorlax is a horrible matchup. Even after Amnesia you can't hit him effectively, and he can 3HKO you. And if the opponent's Lax have few HP, he can still Selfdestruct. In every case, you lose.
Starmie : TB 228 - (36~43%), TB 456 - (72~85%), TB 684 - (100%)
Psychic 228 : 18~21%, Psychic 456 : 9~11%, Psychic 684 : 6~7%, Psychic : 912 : 5~6%
You win easily. Two Amnesia, then OHKO.
Tauros : TB 228 - (19~22%), TB 456 - (37~44%), TB 684 - (56~66%), TB 912 - (75~88%)
Body Slam : 23~27%, Hyper Beam : 40~48%
If you have not used Amnesia before, you lose. Tauros is a difficult matchup, so avoid it if you can.
Zapdos : IB 228 - (30~35%), IB 456 - (59~69%), IB 684 - (88~100%), IB 912 - (100%)
Thunderbolt 228 : 22~25%, Drill Peck : 20~24%
Overall you win, but if Zapdos switches into a Rest, you will die.
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Post by Crystal_ on May 8, 2011 4:34:43 GMT -8
Body Slam > Tbolt imo. Not only because without it you never beat a para Chansey (otherwise it becomes just a freeze war), but also because Snorlax not always will be able to set up properly if it's played agressively against it. Also, I'll consider SD since many things beat you if they come into teh predicted Rest, meaning it mostly has the same use as physical rest that is waking up in Chanseys face and thus coming into it mroe consistently, which is definitely not relevant if you can't touch them (aka no bslam).
Tbolt definitely helps against waters/ices though.
Also, as a variant, Reflect/Amnesia/Slam/Rest. It's awesome.
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Post by t3h Icy on May 8, 2011 7:44:17 GMT -8
Really good stuff! Detailed and thorough. I have to agree with Crystal that I prefer Body Slam over Thunderbolt, but Thunderbolt is nicer for aquatics if you setup, especially Cloyster, Articuno, etc.
Snorlax learn a lot of moves so you can be versatile with Amnesia. Fire Blast, Surf and Psychic all work too, but they're more for specific Pokemon and Ice Beam is a lot better in general.
However, one problem: I'm guessing you used Netbattle's damage calculator, as a few are off. Cloyster in particular takes 139-118 (46%-39%), though with his GSC Special Defense, they're right. Just a few fixes for some Pokemon to do.
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Post by brookman on May 8, 2011 12:23:34 GMT -8
I played muhp the other day and tbolt surprised the crap out of my slowbro. Needless to say, that sealed the match in his favor.
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Post by Isa on May 8, 2011 12:42:17 GMT -8
I suck at handling set up Pokés, but I think that against regular Amnesialax, you wouldn't send out Chansey - Body Slam hits hard, as people have noted. Entering the battle thinking that your opponent probably has IB/BS, I suppose that Lapras would be one of the more sensible choices, swallowing IB and taking the BS decently, while being able to hit with BS back, plus Confuse Ray if you have it. Knowing that...TBolt seems very reasonable.
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Post by muhpim on May 8, 2011 14:19:34 GMT -8
If your opponent has Slowbro, Lapras or Articuno, Tbolt is probably better. He helps also against Starmie. And Lapras and Starmie are very common...
If you want to use BSlam with Amnesialax, i think the Reflect moveset is better than the IBeam moveset. The moveset BS+IB has problems against Water/Ice-types and also against Physicals, so it is hard to use effectively. The Reflect moveset is very good, if you don't take CH before the set up.
Right. I correct that when i have time.
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Post by muhpim on May 8, 2011 14:45:08 GMT -8
Battle Log:
Battle Mode: Red/Blue/Yellow
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause
Rule: Apply PP Ups
Rule: Battle Timeout
Rule: Evasion Clause
Raichu vs Muhpim. Begin!
Raichu sent out Exeggutor (Lv.100 Exeggutor)!
Muhpim sent out Alakazam (Lv.100 Alakazam)!
Raichu: bonsoir
Begin Turn #1
Alakazam used Thunder Wave!
Exeggutor is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Exeggutor used Sleep Powder!
Alakazam fell asleep!
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End of turn #1
Raichu's Exeggutor: 100% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Alakazam: 313 HP (Slp)
The Jorg has started watching.
Muhpim: Salut !
Begin Turn #2
Muhpim withdrew Alakazam!
Muhpim sent out Chansey (Lv.100 Chansey)!
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Exeggutor used Double-Edge!
(210 damage)
Exeggutor is hit with recoil!
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End of turn #2
Raichu's Exeggutor: 87% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Chansey: 493 HP
Begin Turn #3
Exeggutor is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Chansey used Counter!
(87% damage)
Exeggutor fainted!
Raichu: lol
Muhpim: 
Muhpim: what did you use ?
Raichu: explosion
Muhpim: okay
Raichu sent out Alakazam (Lv.100 Alakazam)!
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End of turn #3
Raichu's Alakazam: 100% HP
Muhpim's Chansey: 493 HP
Begin Turn #4
Alakazam used Psychic!
(135 damage)
Chansey's Special fell!
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Chansey used Ice Beam!
(14% damage)
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End of turn #4
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP
Muhpim's Chansey: 358 HP
Begin Turn #5
Alakazam used Thunder Wave!
Chansey is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Chansey used Softboiled!
Chansey regained health!
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End of turn #5
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP
Muhpim's Chansey: 703 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #6
Muhpim withdrew Chansey!
Muhpim sent out Alakazam (Lv.100 Alakazam)!
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Alakazam used Psychic!
(57 damage)
It's not very effective...
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End of turn #6
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP
Muhpim's Alakazam: 256 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #7
Alakazam is fast asleep.
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Alakazam used Seismic Toss!
(100 damage)
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End of turn #7
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP
Muhpim's Alakazam: 156 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #8
Alakazam used Seismic Toss!
(100 damage)
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Alakazam is fast asleep.
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End of turn #8
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP
Muhpim's Alakazam: 56 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #9
Alakazam is fast asleep.
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Alakazam used Seismic Toss!
(56 damage)
Alakazam fainted!
Muhpim sent out Starmie (Lv.100 Starmie)!
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End of turn #9
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP
Muhpim's Starmie: 323 HP
Begin Turn #10
Alakazam used Thunder Wave!
Starmie is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Starmie used Thunder Wave!
Alakazam is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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End of turn #10
Raichu's Alakazam: 86% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Starmie: 323 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #11
Alakazam is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Starmie used Blizzard!
(45% damage)
A critical hit!
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End of turn #11
Raichu's Alakazam: 41% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Starmie: 323 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #12
Muhpim withdrew Starmie!
Muhpim sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
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Alakazam used Recover!
Alakazam regained health!
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End of turn #12
Raichu's Alakazam: 91% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP
Begin Turn #13
Raichu withdrew Alakazam!
Raichu sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
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Snorlax used Amnesia!
Snorlax's Special sharply rose!
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End of turn #13
Raichu's Snorlax: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP
Begin Turn #14
Snorlax used Reflect!
Muhpim's team's Reflect raised Defense!
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(77 damage)
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End of turn #14
Raichu's Snorlax: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 446 HP
Raichu: nice
Begin Turn #15
Snorlax used Body Slam!
(261 damage)
A critical hit!
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(27% damage)
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Muhpim: haha
End of turn #15
Raichu's Snorlax: 73% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 185 HP
Begin Turn #16
Snorlax used Hyper Beam!
(124 damage)
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #16
Raichu's Snorlax: 73% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #17
Snorlax must recharge!
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #17
Raichu's Snorlax: 73% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #18
Raichu withdrew Snorlax!
Raichu sent out Tauros (Lv.100 Tauros)!
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #18
Raichu's Tauros: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP
Begin Turn #19
Tauros used Body Slam!
(64 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(33% damage)
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End of turn #19
Raichu's Tauros: 67% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 459 HP
Begin Turn #20
Tauros used Body Slam!
(67 damage)
Snorlax is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Snorlax is paralyzed! It can't move!
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End of turn #20
Raichu's Tauros: 67% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 392 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #21
Tauros used Body Slam!
(69 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(31% damage)
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End of turn #21
Raichu's Tauros: 36% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 323 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #22
Tauros used Body Slam!
Tauros's attack missed!
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #22
Raichu's Tauros: 36% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Raichu: lol
Begin Turn #23
Tauros used Body Slam!
(69 damage)
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #23
Raichu's Tauros: 36% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 454 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #24
Tauros used Body Slam!
(64 damage)
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #24
Raichu's Tauros: 36% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 390 HP
Begin Turn #25
Tauros used Body Slam!
(66 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(33% damage)
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End of turn #25
Raichu's Tauros: 3% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 324 HP
Raichu: how long does reflect even last
Begin Turn #26
Tauros used Hyper Beam!
(116 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(3% damage)
Tauros fainted!
Raichu sent out Chansey (Lv.100 Chansey)!
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End of turn #26
Raichu's Chansey: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 208 HP
The Jorg: forever
Muhpim: yeah
Begin Turn #27
Chansey used Ice Beam!
(52 damage)
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #27
Raichu's Chansey: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #28
Raichu withdrew Chansey!
Raichu sent out Alakazam (Lv.100 Alakazam)!
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #28
Raichu's Alakazam: 91% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #29
Alakazam used Psychic!
(84 damage)
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #29
Raichu's Alakazam: 91% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 439 HP
Begin Turn #30
Alakazam is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Snorlax used Amnesia!
Snorlax's Special sharply rose!
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End of turn #30
Raichu's Alakazam: 91% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 439 HP
Begin Turn #31
Alakazam used Thunder Wave!
Snorlax is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Snorlax used Amnesia!
Snorlax's Special sharply rose!
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End of turn #31
Raichu's Alakazam: 91% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 439 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #32
Alakazam is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(51% damage)
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End of turn #32
Raichu's Alakazam: 40% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 439 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #33
Alakazam used Recover!
Alakazam regained health!
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(56% damage)
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End of turn #33
Raichu's Alakazam: 34% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 439 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #34
Alakazam is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(34% damage)
A critical hit!
Alakazam fainted!
Raichu sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
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End of turn #34
Raichu's Snorlax: 73% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 439 HP (Par)
Muhpim: reflect lax is awesome
Begin Turn #35
Snorlax used Body Slam!
(73 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(25% damage)
Snorlax is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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End of turn #35
Raichu's Snorlax: 48% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 366 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #36
Snorlax used Hyper Beam!
(125 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(27% damage)
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End of turn #36
Raichu's Snorlax: 21% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 241 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #37
Snorlax must recharge!
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #37
Raichu's Snorlax: 21% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Raichu: gengar walls this set
Raichu: though I don't have one
Muhpim: yeah
Muhpim: indeed
Begin Turn #38
Snorlax used Body Slam!
(70 damage)
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #38
Raichu's Snorlax: 21% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 453 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #39
Raichu withdrew Snorlax!
Raichu sent out Golem (Lv.100 Golem)!
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #39
Raichu's Golem: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 453 HP
Muhpim: well
Raichu: this is pretty unique stall
Raichu: hard to break
Muhpim: golem is a decent choice
Raichu: took me a while to remember your 4 moves
Begin Turn #40
Golem used Body Slam!
(48 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(12% damage)
It's not very effective...
Golem is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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End of turn #40
Raichu's Golem: 88% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 405 HP
Raichu: to understand you can only attack with bs
Begin Turn #41
Golem used Body Slam!
(46 damage)
Snorlax is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Snorlax is paralyzed! It can't move!
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End of turn #41
Raichu's Golem: 88% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 359 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #42
Golem used Earthquake!
(77 damage)
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Snorlax is paralyzed! It can't move!
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End of turn #42
Raichu's Golem: 88% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 282 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #43
Golem used Earthquake!
(86 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(13% damage)
It's not very effective...
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End of turn #43
Raichu's Golem: 75% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 196 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #44
Golem used Earthquake!
(89 damage)
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #44
Raichu's Golem: 75% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #45
Golem used Earthquake!
(80 damage)
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #45
Raichu's Golem: 75% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 443 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #46
Golem is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #46
Raichu's Golem: 75% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 443 HP
Begin Turn #47
Golem used Body Slam!
(186 damage)
A critical hit!
Snorlax is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(11% damage)
It's not very effective...
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End of turn #47
Raichu's Golem: 64% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 257 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #48
Golem is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #48
Raichu's Golem: 64% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #49
Golem used Earthquake!
(83 damage)
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #49
Raichu's Golem: 64% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 440 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #50
Golem is paralyzed! It can't move!
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #50
Raichu's Golem: 64% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 440 HP
Begin Turn #51
Golem used Body Slam!
(45 damage)
Snorlax is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Snorlax is paralyzed! It can't move!
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End of turn #51
Raichu's Golem: 64% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 395 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #52
Golem used Earthquake!
(90 damage)
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Snorlax used Body Slam!
(12% damage)
It's not very effective...
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End of turn #52
Raichu's Golem: 52% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 305 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #53
Golem used Earthquake!
(79 damage)
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Snorlax is paralyzed! It can't move!
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End of turn #53
Raichu's Golem: 52% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Snorlax: 226 HP (Par)
Begin Turn #54
Golem used Explosion!
(195 damage)
Golem fainted!
Raichu sent out Chansey (Lv.100 Chansey)!
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End of turn #54
Raichu's Chansey: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 31 HP (Par)
Muhpim: okay
Begin Turn #55
Chansey used Ice Beam!
(27 damage)
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Snorlax used Rest!
Snorlax went to sleep!
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End of turn #55
Raichu's Chansey: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 523 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #56
Chansey used Thunderbolt!
(25 damage)
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Snorlax is fast asleep.
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End of turn #56
Raichu's Chansey: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 498 HP (Slp)
Begin Turn #57
Chansey used Thunderbolt!
(25 damage)
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Snorlax woke up!
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End of turn #57
Raichu's Chansey: 100% HP
Muhpim's Snorlax: 473 HP
Begin Turn #58
Snorlax used Body Slam!
(42% damage)
Chansey is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
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Chansey used Counter!
(473 damage)
Snorlax fainted!
Muhpim: nice
Raichu: too late though
Muhpim sent out Tauros (Lv.100 Tauros)!
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End of turn #58
Raichu's Chansey: 58% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Tauros: 353 HP
Muhpim: yeah
Begin Turn #59
Tauros used Hyper Beam!
(59% damage)
Chansey fainted!
Raichu sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
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End of turn #59
Raichu's Snorlax: 21% HP (Par)
Muhpim's Tauros: 353 HP
Raichu: gg
Begin Turn #60
Tauros used Hyper Beam!
(22% damage)
Snorlax fainted!
End Battle! Muhpim wins!
Score: 0 to 4
Muhpim: gg
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Post by Crystal_ on May 9, 2011 2:24:06 GMT -8
Most people that lose to amnesialax is because they let him set up. People usually presuppose it's standard physical set, so if they are for example with Starmie, they think: umm starmie pretty relevant for teh rest of the battle and i can't afford getting it para etc, so i switch to Egg / Rhydon whatever. You do this just to see it Amnesia; then you are screwed. Now you hit it for 15% with specails and physicals take almost double the damage they do. Amnesialax isn't that much of a problem since you can explode on it, but that's definitely one of the reasons Relfect+Amnesialax is so awesome and 6-0s without really needing a lot of luck.
Same goes for Slowbro; people switch out their Tauros/snorlax when they don't have Starmie and then complain their para Chansey/Lapras didnt beat him when odds were clearly against them.
"If your opponent has Slowbro, Lapras or Articuno, Tbolt is probably better"
The question is definitely if tehre's water/ice AND Chansey. Because without slam, lax cant touch chansey; on the other hand blizz/tbolt/amnesia/sd lures out chansey and booms; and it often worked when i used it; anyway though, Snorlax > Chansey imo so its not a so good trade, and the trade isnt guaranteed anyway, yet Starmie/Lapras etc now sweep much better if i get it.
As for Slam+IBeam vs star/lapras/articuno, Snorlax takes 15-18% after +2, so the matchup is decided with luck (ch). If Snorlax gets +4 though, youll need 2 chs to beat it when he's resting; so youll probably need the ch in the set up or beat it with physicals if you predict the rest and come into it.
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Post by muhpim on May 9, 2011 9:35:25 GMT -8
However if your opponent has Gar, or Counter Chansey (and many Counter pokes), ReflectAmnesialax is quite useless.
My main team has both Gar and Counter Chan, so ReflectAmnesialax can not really work against me (if i play well, lol).
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Post by Crystal_ on May 9, 2011 10:19:22 GMT -8
Gar will get outstalled unless it gets 2 consecutive tbolt chs in the same rest period, then follows with explosion or another ch tbolt OR Night Shade, which despite being the better than MDrain or whatever else, nobody uses it.
I don't know the exact % of success but 2/2 chs is 4'6%, you have 24 pp and you need to force him to rest so that he cant recover hp in teh next 3 turns. But if you dont get a ch you can end up wasting 11 pp or so to get it to around 45%, where it dies to ch. 1 ch usually means 5 hits to get it to -45%.
Counter Chansey should work, since with 32 pp you can afford mispredicting a lot of counters, the problem is if what happens is that he slams when you dont counter. If he manages to put you -40% you are dead.
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Post by muhpim on May 9, 2011 10:46:48 GMT -8
Anyway, Counter Chan requires always some mindgame.
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