Weezing Discussion

[t3h Icy]

Yay, more shitty Pokemon. Alright, what can Weezing do in OU? Before starting, here's some things about Weezing that stands out.

Weezing has the highest Defense of all Poisons and can take Earthquake quite well:

Rhydon's Earthquake - 272-232 (82%-70%)
Snorlax's Earthquake - 162-137 (49%-41%)
Tauros's Earthquake - 152-129 (46%-39%)

In fact, the only attack that can OHKO Weezing is Mewtwo's Psychic, which has a 12/39 chance to (less than one third).

Weezing also has the smallest movepool of all final forms excluding Ditto: Bide, Double Team, Explosion, Fire Blast, Haze, Hyper Beam, Mimic, Rage, Rest, Selfdestruct, Sludge, Smog, Smokescreen, Substitute, Tackle, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Toxic

But it includes a variety of moves for offense and has some utility moves like Haze and Smokescreen.

Weezing is also 10 faster than Exeggutor while Muk is 10 slower.

Sludge vs Exeggutor - 175-149 (45%-38%)
Explosion vs Exeggutor - 298-253 (76%-64%)
Exeggutor's Psychic - 300-255 (90%-77%)

So Weezing can win the match-up though with Explosion (or a Critical Sludge), while Muk can't.

Weezing's uses:

One of the main uses with Weezing is for Slowbro. Unlike Golbat and Vaporeon who can also Haze, Weezing can actually do some damage using Thunderbolt and Explosion after Haze.

Thunderbolt vs Slowbro - 169-144 (43%-37%)
Explosion vs Slowbro - 251-214 (64%-54%)
Slowbro's Surf - 118-100 (35%-30%)

Vaporeon can stall Slowbro, but will eventually need to Rest, letting the opponent switch into you while you're on the defensive. Weezing can threaten with Explosion. One problem is though that switch or Haze, the opponent will lose Slowbro's boosts and may be inclined to switch anyway, particularly to something Frozen, Asleep or Paralyzed (especially since Slowbro is a late game Pokemon). So Haze carefully.

A unique pressure combination is Smokescreen and Explosion. Electrode, Mew and Exeggutor all learn Flash, but Flash isn't 100% accurate. Ideally, you would spam Smokescreen to force an opponent to switch, likely to something you would want to use Explosion on. This would require some setup since Weezing can't take too many hits, so spreading Paralysis beforehand would help.

Compared to Muk, Weezing can't do the Sludge + Explosion combo against Tauros as well, but due to the extra bulk, Weezing is better suited for Snorlax. With Earthquake being slightly under a 2HKO, Weezing can use Sludge twice and then Explosion on Snorlax. This has a 19812/59319 (almost exactly one third) chance to 3HKO. If either of the Sludges Poison though (51%), this chance flies up to 53497/59319 (90%), and is guaranteed if the first Sludge poisoned. On top, Weezing has a 27% chance to CH once across 3 turns, while Snorlax's chance to CH once across 2 turns is about 11%. Snorlax can of course switch, but Weezing could be a threat due to Explosion. So Weezing is useful for Snorlax. Alternatively, use Fire Blast for the Burn chance.

Weezing outspeed Chansey, compared to Muk tying, which is handy for Explosion. Weezing chance to OHKO with Explosion is 12/39 chance, but if it fails, Chansey will have at most 76 HP.

The main problem with Weezing is he's pretty much completely walled by Gengar, with Fire Blast doing at most 24.9%, but a Burn could give Weezing the edge for Explosion. Gengar's Thunderbolt does 32.6% at most, but Gengar is faster and has a much better CH chance. Still, Weezing can at least do some damage unlike Muk who has garbage Special. If Gengar has Psychic, Weezing will get 2HKO'd guaranteed. The other problem is Rocks, particularly Golem and Rhydon. Muk has Acid Armor and Mega Drain, which puts the match-up slightly in his favor, while Weezing can't do anything besides Fire Blast (7HKO, lol) in hopes for a Burn. So when using Weezing, Ghosts and Rocks need to be taken out.

I would strongly recommend Sludge, Explosion and Thunderbolt on every set, though Fire Blast, Haze, Smokescreen and perhaps Hyper Beam are possible moves. Weezing is basically a pressure-suicide Pokemon and is poor otherwise.

[WaterWizard]

Snorlax 2HKOs with Earthquake + Hyper Beam.

Weezing's main advantage over Muk is that he outspeeds Chansey.

I tried several poison pokemon last week, and the problem is they're walled by Golem, Gengar, and Reflect Alakazam/Starmie, they can't recover, and consequently they can't switch into a lot.

One of the big allures of Weezing/Muk is just the fact that you get to see the "Super Effective!" message vs Eggy. Once you get over that and realize they can't do much but explode, the appeal fades.

I'm going to try Nidoking this week. I think he will do really well with the right support.

[pocket]

Blizzard is super effective on Eggy and more...

Nidoking is cool, but it's weak to Ice Beam and has a much weaker EQ than Golem / Rhydon. I cannot see it switching in that often, other than against Gengar and Electrics.

[Dre]

Sorry for the bump, but I was wondering what kind of potential haze has.

People always seem to say that haze is bad because if the opponent is setting up, they'll just switch to a frozen or sleeping pokemon to absorb the haze. I thought it might be a nice trick to switch to your own set up pokemon, and abuse the turn they have have to use to then switch their statused pokemon back out after realising their mistake. They may even keep it in a for a turn if they're not aware you're going to set up.

Also, I was thinking maybe late game, if for some reason Weezing hasn't blown up or been KOd, you could haze a parad poke so that they could be slept or frozen by another poke. This might work on pokes who agility boost when parad, as hazing them and re paralysing them drops their speed again.

It's probably incredibly situational, but I just wanted to know what you guys think. Scaring amnesia users with haze is probably viable in UU though.

[Zilch]

Haze Vaporeon used to be popular in UU, but her usefulness is dubious at best seeing as how all she's really good for is Haze and tanking, unless she manages to Mimic Amnesia or something, and with Freezing a big part of UU's environment, there is a very real concern that the opponent will switch their frozen Pokemon into Haze, not to mention Vaporeon can become frozen herself.

Maybe if you're at a complete loss with how to deal with Amnesia users, then try Haze Vaporeon, but the best solution is just to not let them set up, use physical attacks while they're Resting (Raticate and Fearow do it best), or surprise them with a late Venomoth and put them to sleep.

Incidentally, Weezing would utterly fail as a UU Hazer as he would fall quickly to the very Amnesia users he's supposed to deter. He's better off just using Explosion.