I'm almost back
Jul 12, 2011 18:12:04 GMT -8
Post by t3h Icy on Jul 12, 2011 18:12:04 GMT -8
So in RBY news, I'm still busy and WaterWizard is still running the show for the most part, and with how the timing of things look, I'll likely be watching the Genesis 2 livestream (Smash Bros Melee) when I'm totally back. Once that's all over, I'll be back in full and start whooping you scrubs again. <3 Eventually though, I'll be putting Melee over RBY since I'm finally living somewhere with players here and totally loving it, but don't worry, I'll keep things lively here. I'll probably do some training sessions and do some write-ups for some ideas I have.
By the looks of things, Pokemon Online still hasn't upgraded to RBY, but when they do, we'll still implement RBYPlus, so no worries.
And get your tournament sets done! ):<
But anyway, I thought it would be fun to address something. Time and time, I see funny stuff about us on other Pokemon forums and I decided to explain things and establish ourselves more here. Anyone thatthinks knows we're retarded, feel free to give us the hate. ;>
Why does RBY2K10 exist?
Originally, most RBY discussion was between WaterWizard, Harrison and I on MSN, and with whoever else on Netbattle. In a luck-based game like RBY, I never liked 1-game sets for tournaments, hosted on either Smogon or The Alternative, so I wanted to host my own on Smogon, but was unable to since it was around when the main Smogon Tour was about to start, so I made this place and it blew up a lot more than I thought and intended. Not to say I don't like it though; I love this community and have had a ton of fun times! =D
Does RBY even matter since it's such an old game?
The thing is more of the size of the active scene and not how old a game is. Chess has been around since trees and is still actively played throughout the world and researched. Obviously RBY doesn't compare, but the problem is more how large the community for game is, not the elderliness of the game, which is what this community is for in the first place. The only problem with that is most RBY information is just from one source, but there really aren't too many other places otherwise. Smogon is probably the next best for RBY specifically, but they're by far the best place to be for competitive Pokemon in general.
Are RBY2K10 players the best ever?
lolno. Anything we do here can never match the stuff the golden oldies have done, and like the above question goes over, RBY is currently pretty quiet, even though we'd like to revive it and have somewhat over the last year. Are we the best current players? Active players, yes for the most part, if only due to the percentage of active players being from here. We also skew a lot of stuff about us since most of us are goofs and talk a lot of trash. ;>
However, with the mathematical aspect of the game, I'd like to think I'm one of the top if not the best overall, only due to the time I've put into calculating stuff, etc. I'm pretty horrible with total team construction though, but my 1v1s information are unmatched as far as I know. =)
Are RBY2K10 players bad due to their join dates?
This one is always funny. Most of our community are new players and the majority new to RBY in 2010 or 2011, so a lot of players that played since dinosaur times believe we're bad due to that. Sure, a lot of us don't know anything about the history of the game (like Sneak 3 that Nitro likes reminding me about =P), but RBY is a fairly simplistic game and with a ton of information readily available, it doesn't take a decade to learn. Now, the part of the game of prediction/"guessing", and controlling the game in general can take that long to fine tune if it's not something that comes naturally. That's one of the key reasons why a lot of players that moved on to newer generations and come back to RBY occasionally are still able to beat most top players, even though they may not totally be comfortable with using anything outside of the standard and may not know all the fine mathematics of the game (which with what we're doing is mostly just an unnecessary premium). So I don't think join date is that important if you're able to play confidently anyway; we're self-dubbed the new generation of RBY anyway.
Also just a note, Harrison and I have been playing since late 2007, but I played casually since 2006, Nerd and Zilch have played for eons and WaterWizard and Posthuman are both new players (09, 10). Still in times that didn't matter all that much, but just to clear that up.
Is t3h Icy a GGFan alternative/reincarnate?
Haha. I first learned about high-level RBY through GameFAQs and found a link to The Alternative, and his analysis of each Pokemon was the type of thing I've been interested ever since I started playing RBY when they came out. The thing was that since I learned about this place before I went to Smogon, I ended up taking GGFan's side about Smogon and RBY in general and since I was still a terrible player back then, playing against him felt way too hard, so I also believed he was the RBY champion of the world like he says, etc. Eventually I figured things out and playing him after I had improved wasn't anything special to be honest. Real talk: I don't think GGFan is that good, but he could be a lot better if he spent more time on RBY and not his silly drama. After the recent OU tournament here with him losing to DragonAura and Jackal, I realize I definitely overhyped him a lot. I'm also currently 5-0 against him in tournament games, 3 being OU and 2 being Tradebacks, which is a sort of legit metagame. ;>
So no, I'm not GGFan.
Why is Articuno and Jolteon OU on RBY2K10's tier list?
Smogon's tiers are more of comparison of how each Pokemon performs in OU, and though I personally would have liked to do that as well, most people here prefer having tiers sorted so that each tier is a playable metagame. Articuno and Jolteon are arguably the two best in OU that are tiered in BL, and both are pretty much necessary and overcentralize BL, so we moved them up. I personally think Jolteon is pretty good but not great, and Articuno is meh, but WaterWizard and Zilch like them a lot among others.
Why does RBY2K10 think Gengar is one of the best Pokemon?
Mmm, sort of, but in different ways. Potentially, if you were to correctly catch Explosion multiple times in one game with Gengar, pressure the opponent properly, explode on something weak and wall a ton of Pokemon, Gengar is brutal. Overall, Gengar has a ton of uses and if you can get several of them working in your favor, Gengar can really shift games. Gengar is also a fairly good lead, even against Alakazam if you go one-for-one with Explosion, but that's risky.
However, Gengar's usefulness is usually at the lower end. If Gengar can't get anything going and if you force yourself to have to predict things and you do it poorly, Gengar is just costing you a slot and making things worse. Gengar is really mediocre if you can't use any of his abilities to the max or if Hypnosis decides to never hit.
Most of us don't think Gengar is a top, top Pokemon, but we whine about him a lot when we get unlucky. Gengar can also be rough to face when used by someone that's a lot better than you, so many upcoming players here also end up hating to battle him and skew how good he really is.
Gengar isn't that great, but when used perfectly, he's one of the top Pokemon and is tough for new players to face. I personally think Gengar is somewhere around 6th-8th overall for OUs, though others will say he's better or worse.
Why does RBY2K10 think selecting moves is predicting and not guessing?
This is mostly just me and my theory about inhumanly-like prediction. Most people here think I'm a goof too. <3
Has RBY2K10 changed the RBY metagame?
RBY has been more or less been done eons ago, but there are tons of statistics and information within the game just due to the dynamics. I'm sure that most players couldn't tell you the exact chances of Alakazam beating Tauros one-on-one (and none of us really can either), but we can somewhat get close and most people just have never bothered. Does this change the metagame? Not really, but it helps very insignificantly in selecting moves and planning out the game.
However, a lot of lesser Pokemon have been used a lot more viably in OU that weren't used before like Kingler and Aerodactyl, but they're more of a gimmick rather than something set in stone that defines OU like Chansey or Tauros. I'm also not sure if WaterWizard's Counter abuse with Sleep, Full Paralysis, Hyper Beam etc was widely used before, but that could also just be how Netbattle has changed over the years and the use of older simulators from before that may not have had those glitches working.
So no, we haven't changed the metagame, but have done slight perfections here and there, and have spent the time finding out more complex probabilities and statistics.
How can RBY2K10 claim they're the best right now?
Well we're not, lol (except when we trash talk and stuff). Even though many old, powerful players don't play RBY often, it doesn't take long to get used to the game before they're able to dominate again. The most important thing at high levels is the prediction/guessing and the psychological part of the game. Veteran in Love comes to mind, who still plays Pokemon competitively, but only comes back to RBY for large tournaments occasionally and almost always performs well (though placing a subpar 5th at the current Smogon RBY Tournament).
But a lot of our players are pretty great too. One of the reasons we added a $50 pot for our anniversary tournament was also to draw in outside players. Looking at the bracket, we have half in the top 2 (perhaps winning, but it's in Spies' favor), half in the top 4, half in the top 6, half in the top 8, half in the top 12, half in the top 16 (counting Redstorm for us), all while having about 11-15 of the players being regulars from here. I think that's pretty decent, and a lot of well-known players outside of our community have lost to ours, including Earthworm, Majintupacz, Floppy ("Gorgie") and GGFan. Stips' luck also skewed the results somewhat by having WaterWizard and Crystal go to Losers' early, which also led to Earthworm and Majintupacz taken out earlier than expected. I also got a brutal bracket, but luck is the nature of RBY anyway. Spies is not totally immortal though as Posthuman and Dexter both beat him in a previous OU tournament.
Of course though, our community is not the definitive place for competition, but we've had fair success outside. Most recently, WaterWizard and Pocket tied for 9th out of 64 in the current Smogon tournament, I placed 9th out of 64 at Back to the Basics (I may have been able to place higher due to IRL stuff), I won TOS8 without dropping a game and I placed 5th out of 32 at the ATQ Regionals 1. Also at the ATQ Regionals 2 (GSC), WaterWizard placed 2nd out of 32, losing to Veteran in Love.
The main thing is we're playing without Wrapping and it's not considered the standard, so most of our players don't do outside tournaments too often. Overall, we can hold our own and can beat you outsider noobs! C=
Why are tournaments Double Elimination and best of 3 or 5 sets?
Mostly to eliminate luck, even though we end up taking forever to finish tournaments as is. Double Elimination helps give players a second chance, whether they lost to bad luck or had a match against someone they have trouble with. 3 and 5 game sets are for the same reason. For Round Robins, we often have 1-game sets and for silly, gimmicky tournaments, we often run Single Elimination.
Are t3h Icy and friends retarded?
Maybe! ;>
So anywho, I'll be back sometime soon and help resurrect this place, yell at Crystal for holding up two tournaments and train up players looking to improve. Also, I'll DQ Raichu in the UU tournament if he's still gone by then, since Consumptus and I can't battle each other right now anyway.
By the looks of things, Pokemon Online still hasn't upgraded to RBY, but when they do, we'll still implement RBYPlus, so no worries.
And get your tournament sets done! ):<
But anyway, I thought it would be fun to address something. Time and time, I see funny stuff about us on other Pokemon forums and I decided to explain things and establish ourselves more here. Anyone that
Why does RBY2K10 exist?
Originally, most RBY discussion was between WaterWizard, Harrison and I on MSN, and with whoever else on Netbattle. In a luck-based game like RBY, I never liked 1-game sets for tournaments, hosted on either Smogon or The Alternative, so I wanted to host my own on Smogon, but was unable to since it was around when the main Smogon Tour was about to start, so I made this place and it blew up a lot more than I thought and intended. Not to say I don't like it though; I love this community and have had a ton of fun times! =D
Does RBY even matter since it's such an old game?
The thing is more of the size of the active scene and not how old a game is. Chess has been around since trees and is still actively played throughout the world and researched. Obviously RBY doesn't compare, but the problem is more how large the community for game is, not the elderliness of the game, which is what this community is for in the first place. The only problem with that is most RBY information is just from one source, but there really aren't too many other places otherwise. Smogon is probably the next best for RBY specifically, but they're by far the best place to be for competitive Pokemon in general.
Are RBY2K10 players the best ever?
lolno. Anything we do here can never match the stuff the golden oldies have done, and like the above question goes over, RBY is currently pretty quiet, even though we'd like to revive it and have somewhat over the last year. Are we the best current players? Active players, yes for the most part, if only due to the percentage of active players being from here. We also skew a lot of stuff about us since most of us are goofs and talk a lot of trash. ;>
However, with the mathematical aspect of the game, I'd like to think I'm one of the top if not the best overall, only due to the time I've put into calculating stuff, etc. I'm pretty horrible with total team construction though, but my 1v1s information are unmatched as far as I know. =)
Are RBY2K10 players bad due to their join dates?
This one is always funny. Most of our community are new players and the majority new to RBY in 2010 or 2011, so a lot of players that played since dinosaur times believe we're bad due to that. Sure, a lot of us don't know anything about the history of the game (like Sneak 3 that Nitro likes reminding me about =P), but RBY is a fairly simplistic game and with a ton of information readily available, it doesn't take a decade to learn. Now, the part of the game of prediction/"guessing", and controlling the game in general can take that long to fine tune if it's not something that comes naturally. That's one of the key reasons why a lot of players that moved on to newer generations and come back to RBY occasionally are still able to beat most top players, even though they may not totally be comfortable with using anything outside of the standard and may not know all the fine mathematics of the game (which with what we're doing is mostly just an unnecessary premium). So I don't think join date is that important if you're able to play confidently anyway; we're self-dubbed the new generation of RBY anyway.
Also just a note, Harrison and I have been playing since late 2007, but I played casually since 2006, Nerd and Zilch have played for eons and WaterWizard and Posthuman are both new players (09, 10). Still in times that didn't matter all that much, but just to clear that up.
Is t3h Icy a GGFan alternative/reincarnate?
Haha. I first learned about high-level RBY through GameFAQs and found a link to The Alternative, and his analysis of each Pokemon was the type of thing I've been interested ever since I started playing RBY when they came out. The thing was that since I learned about this place before I went to Smogon, I ended up taking GGFan's side about Smogon and RBY in general and since I was still a terrible player back then, playing against him felt way too hard, so I also believed he was the RBY champion of the world like he says, etc. Eventually I figured things out and playing him after I had improved wasn't anything special to be honest. Real talk: I don't think GGFan is that good, but he could be a lot better if he spent more time on RBY and not his silly drama. After the recent OU tournament here with him losing to DragonAura and Jackal, I realize I definitely overhyped him a lot. I'm also currently 5-0 against him in tournament games, 3 being OU and 2 being Tradebacks, which is a sort of legit metagame. ;>
So no, I'm not GGFan.
Why is Articuno and Jolteon OU on RBY2K10's tier list?
Smogon's tiers are more of comparison of how each Pokemon performs in OU, and though I personally would have liked to do that as well, most people here prefer having tiers sorted so that each tier is a playable metagame. Articuno and Jolteon are arguably the two best in OU that are tiered in BL, and both are pretty much necessary and overcentralize BL, so we moved them up. I personally think Jolteon is pretty good but not great, and Articuno is meh, but WaterWizard and Zilch like them a lot among others.
Why does RBY2K10 think Gengar is one of the best Pokemon?
Mmm, sort of, but in different ways. Potentially, if you were to correctly catch Explosion multiple times in one game with Gengar, pressure the opponent properly, explode on something weak and wall a ton of Pokemon, Gengar is brutal. Overall, Gengar has a ton of uses and if you can get several of them working in your favor, Gengar can really shift games. Gengar is also a fairly good lead, even against Alakazam if you go one-for-one with Explosion, but that's risky.
However, Gengar's usefulness is usually at the lower end. If Gengar can't get anything going and if you force yourself to have to predict things and you do it poorly, Gengar is just costing you a slot and making things worse. Gengar is really mediocre if you can't use any of his abilities to the max or if Hypnosis decides to never hit.
Most of us don't think Gengar is a top, top Pokemon, but we whine about him a lot when we get unlucky. Gengar can also be rough to face when used by someone that's a lot better than you, so many upcoming players here also end up hating to battle him and skew how good he really is.
Gengar isn't that great, but when used perfectly, he's one of the top Pokemon and is tough for new players to face. I personally think Gengar is somewhere around 6th-8th overall for OUs, though others will say he's better or worse.
Why does RBY2K10 think selecting moves is predicting and not guessing?
This is mostly just me and my theory about inhumanly-like prediction. Most people here think I'm a goof too. <3
Has RBY2K10 changed the RBY metagame?
RBY has been more or less been done eons ago, but there are tons of statistics and information within the game just due to the dynamics. I'm sure that most players couldn't tell you the exact chances of Alakazam beating Tauros one-on-one (and none of us really can either), but we can somewhat get close and most people just have never bothered. Does this change the metagame? Not really, but it helps very insignificantly in selecting moves and planning out the game.
However, a lot of lesser Pokemon have been used a lot more viably in OU that weren't used before like Kingler and Aerodactyl, but they're more of a gimmick rather than something set in stone that defines OU like Chansey or Tauros. I'm also not sure if WaterWizard's Counter abuse with Sleep, Full Paralysis, Hyper Beam etc was widely used before, but that could also just be how Netbattle has changed over the years and the use of older simulators from before that may not have had those glitches working.
So no, we haven't changed the metagame, but have done slight perfections here and there, and have spent the time finding out more complex probabilities and statistics.
How can RBY2K10 claim they're the best right now?
Well we're not, lol (except when we trash talk and stuff). Even though many old, powerful players don't play RBY often, it doesn't take long to get used to the game before they're able to dominate again. The most important thing at high levels is the prediction/guessing and the psychological part of the game. Veteran in Love comes to mind, who still plays Pokemon competitively, but only comes back to RBY for large tournaments occasionally and almost always performs well (though placing a subpar 5th at the current Smogon RBY Tournament).
But a lot of our players are pretty great too. One of the reasons we added a $50 pot for our anniversary tournament was also to draw in outside players. Looking at the bracket, we have half in the top 2 (perhaps winning, but it's in Spies' favor), half in the top 4, half in the top 6, half in the top 8, half in the top 12, half in the top 16 (counting Redstorm for us), all while having about 11-15 of the players being regulars from here. I think that's pretty decent, and a lot of well-known players outside of our community have lost to ours, including Earthworm, Majintupacz, Floppy ("Gorgie") and GGFan. Stips' luck also skewed the results somewhat by having WaterWizard and Crystal go to Losers' early, which also led to Earthworm and Majintupacz taken out earlier than expected. I also got a brutal bracket, but luck is the nature of RBY anyway. Spies is not totally immortal though as Posthuman and Dexter both beat him in a previous OU tournament.
Of course though, our community is not the definitive place for competition, but we've had fair success outside. Most recently, WaterWizard and Pocket tied for 9th out of 64 in the current Smogon tournament, I placed 9th out of 64 at Back to the Basics (I may have been able to place higher due to IRL stuff), I won TOS8 without dropping a game and I placed 5th out of 32 at the ATQ Regionals 1. Also at the ATQ Regionals 2 (GSC), WaterWizard placed 2nd out of 32, losing to Veteran in Love.
The main thing is we're playing without Wrapping and it's not considered the standard, so most of our players don't do outside tournaments too often. Overall, we can hold our own and can beat you outsider noobs! C=
Why are tournaments Double Elimination and best of 3 or 5 sets?
Mostly to eliminate luck, even though we end up taking forever to finish tournaments as is. Double Elimination helps give players a second chance, whether they lost to bad luck or had a match against someone they have trouble with. 3 and 5 game sets are for the same reason. For Round Robins, we often have 1-game sets and for silly, gimmicky tournaments, we often run Single Elimination.
Are t3h Icy and friends retarded?
Maybe! ;>
So anywho, I'll be back sometime soon and help resurrect this place, yell at Crystal for holding up two tournaments and train up players looking to improve. Also, I'll DQ Raichu in the UU tournament if he's still gone by then, since Consumptus and I can't battle each other right now anyway.
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