Drama, yay.

[t3h Icy]

So I'm back now in my new home and with internet, so I'll be able to play again and help anyone out if they need it. Also a big thanks to WaterWizard for running things!

Anyway, I decided to speak my mind about things in the last topic and it blew up in a bad way, which I should have expected more. Seeing now, I shouldn't have done that as I'd like to separate myself and the community for topics like that so this place doesn't get affected. My apologies to those that had to deal with it for the last few days. Like I said previously, I like trashtalking and trolling and being a dick in general for fun, but I don't seriously have a grudge against anyone and a lot of the things I say I don't totally mean, etc. For what it's worth to GGFan, had I not had to DQ you, you would (probably) have at least tied me. My apologies if anyone else is offended, and I can tone it down if need be. =)

No more drama and politics please. This includes myself.

But, some good points were made that I wanted to address:

1) Colour scheme: If you guys don't like it or it's too gloomy, etc, give me some suggestions and I can change it easily. I just went with black/gray/blue since it's easy on the eyes and the active people at the time suggested and liked it.

2) Wrap: It makes our community separate/different and is not standard to have them illegal, but our community is small and most players here dislike playing with them, so we're playing a different metagame than most everyone else.

3) Tournament DQs: I was planning to be a little more strict about this before, but I tried to let the OU tournament run without them, and that got a bit messy. It's my responsibility about tournaments, but I like to keep this place mostly informal and relaxed, but I think that's been abused and perhaps I'll start making deadlines and issue DQs more frequently. That should also help more people try to schedule matches. Thoughts?

I will be letting the OU tournament finish without DQs since there's money on the line and it's the finals of our major tournament. If Crystal disappears for a long while again though, I'll give the win to Spies. Starting with UU and beyond, I'll be issuing out DQs.

4) Luck: RBY is luck-based and slow-paced so there is little distinction between two players, and two players who have a huge skill gap can both win or lose. Many of the things I say are just for fun. =)

5) Tournaments Outside: I think we (mostly me) should start putting our pride on the line and start playing RBY tournaments outside of our community to see how we fare.

6) Administration: I'm the guy running this place, but it's mostly for organization. I like to keep things equal all around here so feel free to PM me or let me know things you think I should change or do. I think the main problem is my opinion is far too often and by far too much represented as the community's opinion, and I'd like to change that.

Anyway, I'll be busy over the next couple days still with catching up on stuff and doing other things, but I'll be a lot more active now.

Feel free to let me know anything in this topic, but constructively please. =P

[Crystal_]

I don't know why should i be dq'd since there are not other sets waiting, but just saying i can't play until september.

As for wrap, i actually think the meta is not so different. Dnite might sweep everything, but not in a reliable enough way to be considered (too) broken imo (comparable to slowbro?). Consider also netbattle wrap glitch. Victreebel becomes more dangerous, but not broken at all; finally cloyster gets the major improvement with clamp, being able to rest vs a para snorlax without tbolt pretty well should it takes a para from chansey/zam or whatever, with only starmie being a safe counter (theres still freeze though?).
So the most important changes (apart from dnite) would be gengar moving from bottom ou to mid-bottom ou; starmie from mid ou to mid-top ou and cloy from bottom-mid? ou to mid-top ou.

[borat]

White background, any dark color text.

In no way is gray on black "easy on the eyes".

[t3h Icy]

Jul 18, 2011 11:24:33 GMT -8 Crystal_ said:

I don't know why should i be dq'd since there are not other sets waiting, but just saying i can't play until september.

Well, what would you suggest? Having a tournament start in March (late February really) running until September is a bit insane, even for here, and it'd be unfair to Spies to do a double DQ since there's money involved and he has the advantage coming from Winners'. There's absolutely no way you can play your sets?

[pocket]

yea, this tournament has been dragging along forever man... kinda lost its luster.

[WaterWizard]

Frankly, our opinions don't matter for the OU tournament. Who cares if "it's a drag" ? It shouldn't be a drag; we're not in it anymore! Crystal fought his way to the grand finals, and he will definitely get to fight for his $$$.

Grey on Black is very easy on the eyes. There are countless other forums on the webs with a similar scheme (Smash Boards comes to mind first). X on White is super boring. Perhaps Blue font on Grey or something. Idk. I am totally fine with the current scheme.

Currently, one can always highlight the text and it becomes White on Blue. Easy.

~

Meh. I don't care.

[pocket]

I'm sorry for imposing my thoughts... it just seems really irrational for a round to take 3 months (if it's gonna end in September) to a spectator like me who came from Smogon. However, this is a smaller community with more personal ties and leeway, so I guess it is more acceptable. I'd at least get spies' agreement to wait for an entire month and a half for the final match, though - since it is rather unfair for him to wait for this long. He's been wondering where Crystal was throughout the summer. It is common etiquette to inform your opponent and ask for his permission for such delays.

[posthuman]

Jul 18, 2011 20:29:46 GMT -8 WaterWizard said:

Perhaps Blue font on Grey or something.

Good lord, that would be horrible.

The current scheme is alright. I don't love white backgrounds because of how bright they are, but black on a light gray would be fine.

[Consumptus]

You can try other colors with the Lighter on Dark theme. A forum I lurk on uses Light Green on Dark Green. I do abhor X on White though. Just too bright for prolonged reading/staring.

[Earthworm]

I like this colour scheme. I use light grey on black in mIRC as well.

I prefer to allow wrap moves since I don't think they are overpowered (though they can be frustrating for both the user and the victim opponent).

Setting deadlines on every round of a tournament from the start of each "round" except for the finals is a good practice in my opinion.

The luck thing is fairly obvious, and it doesn't change that better players should win far more often.

There aren't many tournaments for RBY outside of here right now, but I agree that it's a good idea to join outside tournaments when they come up.

I'm not really sure about what you mean about your opinion being representative, the only thing I can think of is the Gengar stereotype thing.

[Isa]

I like the current color scheme

Wrap sucks

aaah

rape

[pocket]

Wrap is too unreliable a move to win consistently. My AgilityNite team that I tried during the Smogon Tournament was one of the least reliable team I made - Wrap misses more than you think. I have more success with "conventional" teams than the one with Wrap.

I remember somebody tried to prove a point how broken Wrap is with a Dragonair and Dragonite only to outright lose miserably. The chance of you 6-0ing a team with Wrap is slim. It probably needs more support than Tauros to sweep.

It may be annoying to get Wrapped, but it is equally annoying to have Wrap miss, most of the time rendering the Wrapper useless / dead. It is not a broken move in any sense.

[garrinred]

Color scheme is great. I say keep it as is.

Informal is good for tournaments. At the same time, some people can get a bit ridiculous at times. No offense, Crystal, but you really can't find a spare hour or two of time sometime in the next month? Either your life really is that busy(in which case good luck) or this just isn't that important to you.

Jul 19, 2011 8:21:35 GMT -8 pocket said:

Wrap is too unreliable a move to win consistently. My AgilityNite team that I tried during the Smogon Tournament was one of the least reliable team I made - Wrap misses more than you think. I have more success with "conventional" teams than the one with Wrap.

I remember somebody tried to prove a point how broken Wrap is with a Dragonair and Dragonite only to outright lose miserably. The chance of you 6-0ing a team with Wrap is slim. It probably needs more support than Tauros to sweep.

It may be annoying to get Wrapped, but it is equally annoying to have Wrap miss, most of the time rendering the Wrapper useless / dead. It is not a broken move in any sense.

I support Wrap being banned because it's no fun. It isn't that broken, but it makes battles sucky and not fun too often to be allowed.

[pocket]

I think Wrap is fun, letting more Pokemon shine in the OU scene. Even if it is allowed, I personally would NOT recommend using Wrap heavily, since it is inconsistent.

[jorgen]

Yeah, wrap doesn't feel like it's ban-worthy. It's annoying, but doesn't hit the power threshold to put the red flags up. Doesn't mean that the wrap-less metagame is bad by comparison, just that it's not really "necessary."

In that same tournament, I had contemplated slipping a wrapper in (Dnite, mostly), but always chickened out because it never felt "right." I'd describe it further, but it'd probably be full of over-analytic jibber-jabber. Suffice to say, the potential benefits didn't really seem to outweigh the potential for failure. It's kinda like amnesia, imo, in that it requires "luck" to beat, but that "luck" is sufficiently abundant to stop it from being a world-beater.